The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

i wish we still could put on those pacquiao avatars as uniforms.

 

I understand and respect your position. Let me present mine as well.

The reason I believe Floyd is open for those shots is because he has shown susceptibility to them against southpaws when his reflexes were prime, crisp. Especially against speedy southpaws i.e. Zab Judah.

Zab Judah found success. Luckily, Floyd had a brilliant game-plan to tire Judah out since he has a stamina issue. It worked and Floyd capitalized from there on out.

Now, prime Judah landed his straight lefts on a Prime Mayweather. Mayweather is definitely not prime, and neither is Manny, but today's version of Pacquiao is still faster and stronger than any version of Zab Judah, including the one that fought Mayweather.

Yes, agreed. This is an interesting topic alone. The thing I wonder...if Pacquiao doesn't fear Mayweather's power, and in a sense "allows" Floyd to hit him with some straight rights to land his straight left + combinations, who has the advantage?

The way I look at it is this. Mayweather can hit Pacquiao with 5 straight rights which may or may not stun him. BUT, we know Pacquiao can land ONE straight left and knock you out. Remember his most recent fight with Chris Algieri. The dude is extremely durable. Ruslan Provodnikov, KO artist, couldn't even knock him out. Pacquiao was able to FLATTEN a 5'10, bigger opponent with ONE straight left. And, he didn't even load up the punch! And to be honest, that should have been a knock out. But, that's another topic.

So, I think in Pacquiao's mindset, he'd be willing to eat 5 of Mayweather's rights to land ONE left hand...and can that one left hand do more damage than 5 of Mayweather's rights? I think so, but I'm not sure.

Not true. Pacquiao loves body shots. He used a ton of them against Algieri. Since he was a runner, he used significantly more body shots to slow him down. He does like punches that aim for the chin more, for sure, but Pacquiao will use body shots to open up more shots upstairs. Example: body shot to the body, right hook to the chin. This was used a lot in the Algieri fight.

I don't think jabs will be factor in this fight for either of them.

Floyd will have to use the high guard which cuts off a large amount of vision/sight. This will be difficult since Floyd's defense is highly dependent on what he is SEEING. Plus, one of Pacquiao's mastery is his ability to get through a high guard. WilsonKayden actually did a video on this. I would check it out, or you can watch the Margarito and Bradley 2 fight. Pacquiao uses the high guard to his advantage. He's hard to keep off whether it's a high guard or just moving your body with arms down. Bradley tried both in the 2nd fight. With the high guard, he received a 10 punch combination and got hurt very bad (admitted his vision was blacking out after this). Let's keep in mind, Bradley walked back in a STRAIGHT LINE, HIGH GAURD UP when this happened and Floyd cannot, cannot do this. He walks back in straight lines, and if uses the high guard with it....it won't be good. Then, Bradley tried leaning his body with arms down, and he received a 14 punch combination. It's hard man, it's hard. People don't understand what an offensive freak Pacquiao is.

It's going to be a tough fight for both of them. Full credit to whoever wins.

 

That's exactly what I thought

 

Lol, if you're going to give Marquez that credit than we can call Mayweather defeated and give Castillo the win as well. Though, the compubox still supported the Pacquiao win while Mayweather's with Castillo didn't.


You actually verify my point with that fight. You can't outbox Pacquiao because you can't outpoint him. He's too active, too busy, with a good enough land percentage.

He outlanded Marquez significantly while throwing more and still landing at a similar or significantly higher connect percentage. Why? Because Pacquiao is TOO BUSY for you to box him. You will lose, like Marquez did, because he will outpoint you. That is exactly what happened in that fight.

Bradley summed it up well too. He boxed Pacquiao the first 5 rounds in their 2nd fight. Kellerman asked him why he ended up slugging and trying to KO Pacquiao. His response? "I boxed him in the beginning and had success, but he was still stealing the rounds, so I had to try and knock him out."

Bradley is 100% correct. Algieri found this out as well. As did Marquez and others who tried to box him.

 

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i'm only going to get excited once wussy joy signs the contract.

 

^^ This. End discussion.

All I'm saying is that Floyd looked pretty damn stale against a gatekeeper in Maidana. He's straight up looking old.

It's also been 8yrs since he fought a REAL southpaw. Ortiz and Guerrerro are CONVERTED southpaws who have nothing resembling a decent straight left - they throw the right hook which is the EASIEST punch to roll in the shell. The straight left will land on Mayweather, and unlike Marquez you will see that Mayweather is not willing to stand in there with that missile to counter.

Mayweather is solely counting on movement with straight right pot-shots and manny's inability to cut off the ring to take the air out of this fight. I think he gets dominated.

 

Bullshit. Mayweather is the faster of the two. Pacquiao has slowed down and now has to pick his spots. I feel needs to get off on his combinations to create momentum to get that engine going. Floyd can get away with 1-2 combinations because his single punch output is quicker than Pac.

 

yes, the straight left will land, and mayweather is going to be leaning back when it lands. mayweather will be falling on his azz

 

Relax about this is their contract, isn’t there a Manny-Floyd contract. There’s a deal memo. IF pts agreed to then it goes to full contract,” Rafael said on his twitter. ”So is there TECHNICALLY a Floyd-Manny contract? No. Is there paperwork going back/forth between sides trying to finalize it? ABSOLUTELY yes. Deal memo basically pt by pt of major stuff. IF they agree the lawyers put it in all official lingo w/ all details in a long form agreement.” about the whole contract thing

 

This is interesting and kind of freaky. Let me know what you think.


Shane Mosley Interview Yesterday

Timothy Bradley May 14, 2014

Timothy Bradley Dec 2, 2014

Weird, right? I kind of want to experience that weird type of punch, but then again... I kind of don't. :bbb

 

a few of my more experienced friends who box speak of this "snapping punches" they describe it as a "whip". iv only really experienced hard thudding punches where it just feels like ur getting hit with a heavy blunt object. plenty of guys have that thudding power but iv never experienced the snap

 

Velocity and momentum are different.

Velocity can damage and jar more on its own, momentum needs resistance. So rolling with punches, even just a bit like every top fighter does to a degree without thinking is effective against reducing jar from momentum much moreso than velocity.

 

Speed behind the torque has to have something to do with Pacquiao's snap on his punch.

Just a thought, but I'm wondering if against Mosley, Pacquiao wrapped his hands the way he did vs Margarito. Masking tape between the knuckles giving them hard ridges.
Could explain how wierd it felt to Mosley. :think