The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

My son has got a big penus like his daddy

 

The fact that Espinoza hasnt come out of the woodwork to shut everything down is a good sign.
Fat Dan has been going mental.
Nearly every inside source that was saying "fights not signed" has now said "fights signed, waiting on Floyds announcement"

Its looking good

 

He is going to get knocked out. It ain't going to go past six rounds. I don't think so. He's going to hit him in the jaw - boom. He's going to hit him in the head - boom. He's going to knock his ass down - boom. I'll tell [the referee] don't coount too soon so he can get another ass-whooping. There won't be no rematch,"

"He just got knocked out by Marquez and my nephew [dominated] Marquez. What is he going to do with my nephew? He is going to get stopped. To be honest, I'm not worried about fighting him because he's going to get a good ass-whooping."

 

Floyd Dominated JMM>Jmm KTFO Pac>Thus Pac loses to Floyd

^ This is one of the most annoying theories in boxing. If the triangle effect were anywhere near relevant in boxing we wouldn't have had amazing heavyweight rivalries in the 70s, the fab 4, and tons of other matches that dont apply in the least.
Uncle Rog knows better

 

Was reading bogotazos brilliant thread... A technical ****ysis, which is the best ****ysis I've read on the Internet, contrasting how floyd and jmm differ in their styles v's pac. For those that are new or haven't read it, I recommend it.
Copied here, his first post in that thread.
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This is a bit awkward for me as a Marquez fan, but hear me out. I feel that people are discrediting Marquez's win by equating him to Mayweather and basically generalizing with the concept that Manny would get beaten by any elite counter-puncher, including Floyd, by default. I have to say that people are harshly ignoring the nuances of the game by continually equating Marquez and Floyd without looking at the subtle but absolutely key aspects of their tactical profiles.

They are completely different fighters who set up their counters completely differently.

First off, the key for Marquez against Pacquiao has always been his constant lateral movement. Not only does he constantly sway at a low center of gravity while rotating away from Pac's left, but he pivots out of range and changes the angle after landing an attack, or even in the middle of an exchange, to completely confuse Pacquiao and take away his ability to take the initiative with his amazingly swift footwork. He does this so much so that in the second half of the fight, he caught Pacquiao with a left hook pretty much behind the head because of how he was able to laterally shift away from an oncoming Manny.

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Mayweather on the other hand is a more conventional "slick" counter-puncher who relies on his control of distance to anticipate and neutralize his opponent. While he's brilliant in reading his opponent and measuring his own punches against their own, he usually does this either going straight backwards or straight forwards, with efficient footwork. He has habituated himself to fighting in straight lines in order to land his favorite punches; lead right hands, pull-counters, jabs to the body, counter or lead left hooks, or counter-right uppercuts when swarmed. But one thing Mayweather almost never shows is the type of lateral movement Marquez shows. I can point to the De La Hoya fight (which I thought he won) for evidence of this habit. De La Hoya, while still game, had an offensive gameplan that relied a lot on mere feints and swarms of activity to back Floyd up, and he usually did so with no problem. Even after Mayweather adjusted to his rhythm and started winning rounds, he hardly ever looked impressive and was backing up consistently without ever shifting towards a laterally-minded gameplan. Wouldn't that have made things easier for him instead of constantly giving up the center and having to retreat to the ropes to counter before escaping? Someone with the style of Hopkins (as in VS Pavlik), for example, would prefer such tactics, and Floyd seems to prefer seeing his opponent right in front of him, positioning himself right in front.
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This comfort zone does not appear to be a preferred strategy for someone who can rotate so quickly and match Floyd speed for speed with plenty of pop behind it. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bghC33LWUx...Jo/s1600/6.gif

This leads into my second point, which is that Marquez's movement allows him to get Pacquiao on the inside and punish him. As an in-the-pocket counter-puncher, Marquez can duck under and find himself body-to-body with pacquiao and take advantage of his unpolished inside game. Uppercuts, combinations, and even spots of controlled aggression (before pivoting out) are something that he can do because of his relatively similar size to Pacquiao.

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Now, while people point to Mayweather's reach giving Pacquiao issues, I don't believe he'll be able to use it to control Pacquiao if he shows his regular movement. Floyd's accurate and reflexive, but his defensive stance by nature anchors his back foot to the canvas, and allows someone as fleet-footed as Pacquiao to change the punching angle and capitalize for an offensive opportunity.

Fighting in straight lines is not the way to beat Pacquiao; you have to take away the punching angle, and I don't think at all that Floyd can circle as well as he can back-pedal.

On top of all of this is tempo. While Marquez was able to control pace from time to time, he was still able to fluidly exchange with Pacquiao and see the angles in order to time the better shots while rolling with Pac's own. Mayweather, as skilled and tough and intuitive as he is, has not shown this quality in abundance. The times he's been hurt actually, have been times he's over-committed to his own punches (Corely, Judah, Mosley). He can adjust brilliantly round-to-round, but as controversial as it may sound, I feel he lacks this sort of intangible fluidity Marquez has in his approach. Floyd can counter for 3 rounds and then come forward for 7, while Marquez can switch between momentary aggressor and counter-puncher several times within the same round.

Mayweather's great ability still gives him a logical avenue for victory- but don't think for a second that Pacquiao's own skills and physical gifts are a puzzle easily solved by a majority of elite boxers that necessarily bunch both Mayweather and Marquez together.

Styles (NOT labels) make fights, and Marquez and Mayweather are nearly night and day when it comes to applying their craft.

 

Agreed.

 

One lucky punch from a legend on a brink of being ktfo. Wow. A solid argument from a heroine brained you know what..

 

:deal

 

Roger must have overdone it with some of that crystal meth... I mean Ariza shakes

 

Roger might not be worried about Manny , your nephew Floyd definitely is :yep

Rog is not the one who destined to get his ass crippled by Pac , so of course its easy for him to say that :deal

Floyd knows himself his day is finally here and his 0 is as good as gone :hi:

That's why he continue to stall....

 

How much are you betting on Pac?

 

I wont be making any kind of bets until I hear it from Floyds mouth himself that this fight is no doubt going to happen .

But I wont hold my breath..

 

I see. I will get back with you if the fight is made. lol

 

Yeah because Floyd was scared of needles, needed to build a new arena, and felt that Cinco De Mayo should be reserved for Mexicans.

Floyd was the one who approached Manny in Miami and requested to meet after the game.

 

I already wondered why uncle Roger commented about the Monaco fight this Saturday, but it turns out he's back on the meth :!: (probably a or b-side)