The all things technical thread.

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by slip&counter, Feb 5, 2012.


  1. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    I've said this before but the best analogy i can give is a cricketing one. It's apt because Amir is a cricket fan.

    Malcolm Marshall or Curtly Ambrose...Nah, seeing as Khan is of Pa kistani origin. Let's say Waqar Younis or Wasim Akram. They were fast bowlers. They wouldn't ALWAYS release the ball at the same pace and put it in the same spot constantly. They would take something off it occassionally and bowl a slower one. Good bowlers have a 'wrong one' or a 'slow one' to keep the opponent guessing and not be so predictable. Pitchers in Baseball don't ALWAYS pitch at the same pace no matter how fast they are. There's no point in having that speed if the pattern is predictable. I hope that makes sense.
     
  2. This is my favourite ''other one''.

    Masterful.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nsURd_MPLE[/ame]
     
  3. Bill C84

    Bill C84 Boxing Junkie banned

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    That makes perfect sense actually slip. :good
     
  4. I'd love to see a Curtly Ambrose slower ball if you've got footage, he must have been lethal with it. Every ball the batsman would be expecting to have his head taken off, so seeing something at 70mph would **** you up.

    Used to love watching him as a kid.

    Watch this.... :patsch

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6gPMq9qOTM[/ame]

    Sorry to digress..... :good
     
  5. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Courtney Walsh was actually better at the slower ball. I remember him doing Greame Thorpe many times with it. No access to the Tube at the minute, Luke.
     
  6. Bill C84

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    It don't help Khan that when he decides to let his hands go and throw a combo, he is normally out of an ideal starting position, It would help if he threw some at odd angles, a bit like Calzaghe used too.
     
  7. Bryn

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    Calzaghe was great at mixing up his shots mid combo, speed, power, angles. He seemed immensely difficult to read.
     
  8. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    :good

    Yep. Also his boxing IQ is just non-existent. Joe's was off the charts. So maybe Freddie tells him these things but he just can't think it through once in the ring, and boxing is a thinking mans game. Everything with him is just frenetic and he reacts. He struggles to settle down.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Bill it's pretty much all balance related with Khan, and mainly because he tries jars to throw the combos you describe.
     
  10. Bill C84

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    He also had a the ability to fight at a fast pace and still step up a gear when needed, Calzaghe was never that far out of range so didn't waste a lot of energy it seemed.
     
  11. Bill C84

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    Yeah it seems that way, how would you improve him Flea or try to to start?
     
  12. DrMo

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    Khan seems to want to fight like Pacquiao, which is never gonna be that effective for him.

    If I could pick a fighters style to copy that would work for Amir it would be Ali. He needs to be more economical with his footwork, look at how Ali glides around the ring while Amir just bounces everywhere.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFFDe9FQL3s[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYFqvXUwVjM[/ame]
     
  13. Flea Man

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    I would turn him into a one-two guy. Work behind the jab and bring that rapid right hand behind it, step out, re-set, keep it basic and get by on physical attributes.

    However his feet are all over the shop, and he's not smart enough...so it wouldn't work :lol:
     
  14. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    I'm sure Freddie has tried to fix his feet. I've seen him trying to get Amir to pivot out properly. But it just doesn't happen in the ring and again i think it comes down to his lack of boxing IQ. When he's in there everything just speeds up for him and he can't adapt. He needs to box in tight circles and not circle so wide. But imo he will ALWAYS have fast feet but not educated feet. There's only so many flaws in him that a trainer could fix. Most of them are habitual and too ingrained.
     
  15. His feet look awful in that Maidana video.

    The first round starts off alright, he's on the front foot, then drops Maidana.

    That ought to be the cue to continue pressing forward, not recklessly but behind a tight guard, instead he retreats with his gloves beneath his chin, then whenever Maidana starts throwing the big ones he's almost in half-sidestep half-run mode.

    Later on he's a mess, giving you the impression that he's half dead and desperate to hear the bell for a minute's break, akin to the rugby player who goes to the sideline to stay out of traffic.

    His body language is all wrong for me too, excessive retreating, pushing (in the Maidana fight too) and reactions after being hit.

    Watching that fight back I'd put plenty on a fighter like Hatton taking Maidana out inside the first round.