The all things technical thread.

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by slip&counter, Feb 5, 2012.


  1. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    I think stylistically he would've had a problem with Gomez. The Zamora fight and the other KO's are like what happened to Pacquaio. Pedroza did improve vastly as he moved up himself. Pedroza was knocked out 3 times before he ever won the featherweight title while he was a bantamweight. He was around 19 and 20 years old at the time. He moved up to featherweight and was never stopped again in the next 16 years of his career.

    I just think though Gomez would stop him late on in a great fight though. Perdroza gave up his height on the inside and Gomez was a vicious puncher. Having said though Pedroza was a chameleon and kind of changed his style depending on the opponent. He would certainly give both of them hell as i said. I think if Pedroza had beat Sanchez, Gomez or Nelson he would be much highly thought of historically. Shame it never happened. There was a small window in the early 80's.
     
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    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    :lol:

    Yeah, they were annoying. But that's kind of what they're there for. See fiddy cent cheerleading aswell. Floyd needs that ego stroked at all times.
     
  3. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    Why do you think that is slip, more to do with their style, IIRC Sanchez didn't look as good as he could against Rubin Castillo, who was also abit of a boxer/mover type:think
     
  4. AndrewFFC

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    Yeah I saw him there with some floozie. All in all a good place for a bomb to be set off.

    Remarkable how much the sparring partner is like Cotto, he even wears the same trainers, sure it aint just Cotto?
    Anyway it was solid sparring although from what ive seen of Cotto from his new trainer he will be working a lot more on lateral movement and hitting and moving. The sparring partner was more static and reminiscent of the Cotto of a few years past. Im not sure how similar the gameplan will be given its not Margarito but Mayweather, however I think the past has shown that the blueprint to beating Floyd isnt pressure as he is such a good inside fighter.
     
  5. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    You hit the nail on the head there, LP. The styles. Ford and Cowdell were those tough guys who are not easy to beat that every great era has. Not in styles but it's like Sakio Bika types today who could actually box. On their best night they could give anyone problems and they got Sanchez on their good nights. They were also technically decent fighters in addition to being tough, they were good jabbers and he couldn't use his good feet to slide around them. It seemed to throw Sanchez off a little bit. Especially with Ford who was a tall guy with a long reach, who found his identity after leaving Cus D'mato and fighting more to his strengths with his height and reach.

    Sanchez got the job done though. Keep in mind also that at this stage Sanchez was still probabily an improving fighter. A lot of great fighters had struggles at that stage and age of their careers. Sanchez was just so extraordinary he'd created a hall of fame career by the time was 23 years old. So we judge him as a complete fighter at a stage he was probabily improving at.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Compare Salvador Sanchez's fight with Patrick Ford, and then Pedroza's. Styles make fights and all that but it's clear that if they weren't in the same class, it was Pedroza who was better.

    I'd favour Sal', one of the best fighters I've ever seen, to beat Pedroza. And of course the Zamora fight was pre-prime, just wondering if you'd seen it? Also no shame in being sparked by one of the hardest pure punchers of all time.
     
  7. SkillspayBills

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    :lol: True but Holy threw punches that night :good.
     
  8. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    And I disagree Sanchez would improve much further, he was the complete fighter when he died.

    I do think his style and his intangibles would've given birth to a long career at the top for Sanchez, so I do agree he'd have done more amazing things. But not if he'd jumped two weights to fight Arguello tough, because that was on the cards for Sanchez's next fight. Super feather against the Chacon, Limon, Boza, Navarette crowd first, now THAT is ****ing interesting.

    Whereas if Ohba had lived Borkhorsor would've ended his career anyway.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Very interesting, with Floyd even giving pointers to Henry in there on how to show him the Cotto look.

    If Floyd wants to, I honestly think he can get rid of Miguel inside five rounds. He coasts because he can. In the last few fights (bar Marquez) we've seen more of a want to throw more punches and use less movement. Cotto isn't going to beat Floyd to the punch, won't keep him off his if he tries to go back and won't be consistently pressurising and outworking Floyd. He cannot win IMO. And I still rate Cotto now, he's certainly one of the best fighters of the last decade (top 20 IMO) and remains a competent fighter in a few different looks.

    But he's not great at anything. So I can't see him beating Floyd. If Cotto had beaten Toni' all those years ago, this would've been the fight.
     
  10. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    Floyd is pissed with everyone saying he's a boring fighter
     
  11. SkillspayBills

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    Lot of that is unfair criticism but at same time some is valid. Many just don't like pure boxing. People want war mongering and savagery :lol:.

    Floyd's problem is he wow's the fans with brilliant skill, mans there beaten and broken mentally and then he just sees it out like Chelsea under Mourinho. He knows he could of finished fights but didn't for whatever reason.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Pure boxing is great, but he could've smashed a Baldomir just as he did Gatti, there was no danger there. He is showing he can step it up again against those he knows he can put on a show against IMO.

    Then again, I'd favour him to beat Martinez very convincingly, and yet it's a big risk high reward fight nonetheless. I justcant get excited to see one of my favourite fighters used as a sacrificial lamb to the Mayweather show.

    Get Marlon Starling in from the 80s in a time machine and let him ****. ****. up.
     
  13. SkillspayBills

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    Yep i agree Flea, I'm not even excited for this fight. Just hoping Miguel puts up a good showing.
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Me too, because on the fluoride if Cotto is competitive and puts on a good show it warms the soul. As it stands it's a cynical 'look at me I'm going up in weight against a great fighter' matchup.

    IMO. But then I'm the most cynical ******* ever :lol: Paranoid!
     
  15. WalletInspector

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    :lol::huh