The all things technical thread.

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Watching from about 7:00 he does seem to be very much from the Enzo Calzaghe school of padwork.

He is teaching a Degale a fast and zippy style of fighting, a lot of combos in there. But at the same time not a lot in those shots at all, especially the jab which is flicked out. Contrast this style of padwork, with McDonnel almost doing as much as DeGale, with Manny Steward who won't move the pads forward, generally slow the routine down and will expect and teach the fighter to really generate his own power with leverage.

Looks like Degales throwing arm punches to me. I dont think it necessarily ruins his career, Calzaghe went far with a slappy style adoted to protect his hands, and its a style that to some degree suits those with fast hands and good reflexes. But at the same time he could punch harder with technical adjustments IMO.

 

There was a brilliant piece on ringside with Groves and Booth the week after the Degale fight, where on a rare occasion Booth made public some of the tactics.

He spoke about how Degale likes to get you in a position where he lets his hands go and Booth described it as ''the blender'' which is quite a good description in itself, he then showed how to defend against it while on the backfoot and throwing counters.

 

If all you're going to do is hit pads all day you might as well just go to Fitness First, and save yourself the bother of paying for a trainer for X number of weeks.

Just offer someone a couple of hundred in readies to be your cornerman on the night.

 

On the subject of padwork Vince Cleverly is one of the worst Ive ever seen, always slapping the pads towards Nathan & it doesnt help he's about a foot shorter than his son. I think too many coaches have watched Uncle Roger & Floyd doing speed work & try to mimic it.

I really like this vid, Chris Okoh with Dillian Whyte...(starts about 1.30)

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Like you said Slip, he's trying to be an opponent & mimic actual fight situations. He's making Dillian use his feet, be defensively responsible & hit through the target, correcting him when he sees an adjustment needs to be made.

 

I'm trying to find it mate, no luck at the moment.

 

It was on Griff's video thread but all the ringside ones have been pulled off youtube :-(

 

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Since there was talk of padwork earlier on.....was wondering what you guys make of this video.

You see here Paul Spadafora working with his curent trainer Tom Yankello.I've never seen these type pads and they look very ineffective to me.

What do you guys think of these?

 

That's very interesting, mate. Never seen that before either. It's looks like doing pads with table tennis bats.

I don't know what his reason is for using those. I think it maybe for wrist protection, or trying to get better punch simulation, especially combinations. It does seem to create a 'slapping' effect though, even more so than the usual mitts.

I never tried them, so it would be harsh to dismiss it. I don't know if anyone else has seen any other fighters using them?

 

I'd say those pads have there worth, Smaller target and fighters can punch either side. The pads are worked quicker as well i'd say, As slip says doesn't allow punching through target but if a fighter knows the objective of the pads is speed it shouldn't create to much issue.

 

Yeah, mate. They're probabily using it for only speed and sharpness. Noticed he's always punching in combos with them, and not as hard. They may also create a better feeling than when the mitts are directly on someones hands. The danger seems to be that the trainer is pretty much coming to hit the fighters fists with them. As you say though, if the fighter/trainer knows whats going on and why he's using them, then it's all good. The problem would be if they're being used by someone who wasn't a seasoned pro and hadn't had his punching technique down pat. That's why i'm not always for starting kids on pads straight off.

 

Agree totally Slip.

I saw your thread only other day about your training, I don't really venture much into training thread so missed it until i scrolled down.

How's it going?. Nice to see you went for it :yep. I agree about the pads i don't think it's be all and end for kids. There's a lot of other aspects beginners miss out on such as balance, footwork and punch form among other things.

Think many people take forgranted the level of padwork and that kids on first night ever have enough trouble working out right from left let alone work out what pad to hit and how. Lot of things go through a kids mind in those early sessions.

Edit: Good luck btw mate :good. Making a difference :yep.