Whatever you say, douche. I have owned you in the past with your limited MMA knowledge and I don't feel the need to own you again in boxing. :hi:
HEAVY: David Haye, no doubt CRUISER: The Hayemaker LIGHT-HEAVY: His Hayemakerness SUPER-MIDDLE: Mr. Haye MIDDLE: D. Haye LIGHT-MIDDLE: David H. (the H. is for Haye) WELTER: David Deron Haye LIGHT-WELTER: Mr. Hayemaker LIGHT: Sir Haye (David Haye, that is) SUPER-FEATHER: El Hayemaker FEATHER: Mr. David Deron Haye SUPER-BANTAM: GOD (aka David Haye) BANTAM: David Haye (aka GOD) SUPER-FLY: D.D. Haye FLY: David 'The Hayemaker' Deron Haye LIGHT-FLY: His Hayeliness STRAW/MINIMUM: Jason Litzau (just kidding, it's Haye)
You are laughing with a small, select group of morons because no one in their right mind, except for highlight geeks who know no better, would have Tyson H2H champ all-time.
None of your post made sense at all, you simply copied everything I said because you lack the intelligence to come up with anything on your own. I've seen you post before as well and got the impression that you were a total dope, and you've proven me correct. Direct me to the MMA ownage thread as well please. What a ****ing moron you are. Do us all a favor and walk into oncoming traffic.:good
Says the ****ing IDIOT that has Michael ****ing Moorer as the top LHW of all time. You should be banned from this forum for that you ****ing unknowledgable ******. God please die.
Dude, I shouldn't be too down on Tyson. He's one of you favourite fighters, Lennox, greatest wins; and that was over a shadow of a prime Tyson as well.
Ha ha! I haven't seen this side of you before Pea! Don't take the bait. Moorer is not the best LHW ever anyway.
****ing dumbass compares Michael Moorer, who literally beat NOBODY at LHW while showing all sorts of limitations, to Mike Tyson, who tore through his division in a short span in a way no HW has ever done. Yes, his prime was short, everyone knows that, but in his prime he was a machine, unlike Moorer who hardly proved himself at all. You're probably one of the most ignorant posters I've ever come across.
Obviously. Sorry, this moron just has me fired up. I haven't seen such ignorance and stupidity in a while.
He said Tyson, with Lewis and Holmes making a bid. That's a perfectly valid viewpoint IMO. I think Lewis of 2000 was better, but if late 80s Tyson had caught him with a big shot, it would've been good night. It could easily happen if they fought. Yes, Tyson was limited and no he isn't p4p top 5, but h2h someone of his ferocity cannot be immediately dismissed.
I don't think Tyson was very limited at all in his prime, but in terms of his career yes, as his style would never have worked for long even if his career hadn't been torn apart so early. Those types of fighters are normally the ones who last the least amount of time.
I do think he was limited. He didn't have enough variation to his game that would allow him to adapt to the different challenges fighting other greats would bring to the ring, and I don't think his defence was particularly good, and I don't think he was very skilled all round, but made up for all these limitations by streamlining his natural weapons into a system that D'Amato had working for him. On his night, he could beat anyone, agreed. But I think Lewis would've beaten him more times than Tyson would beat him if they fought 100 times (a way of rating who is better they use in football).
His defense was excellent, he had probably the best head movement in the history of the HW division. Nowadays everyone assumes that a tall jabber is the style to beat him, but how many of those did he easily dispatch of in his prime? A jab was probably the LEAST effective punch against a young Tyson due to his head movement and constant bob and weave style. This was also the reason he was so skilled at closing the distance. He had a set style sure, but I sure can't think of any HW's dealing well with it off the top of the head. Lewis and Holmes being the closest calls.
If Tyson fought a counterpuncher with an excellent defence, resilience, composure, and punching power, I think he would find that style very difficult. He would either break through and KO them, or be KO'd himself on the counter. If he was getting attacked by quick shots in a close-up fight, I don't think his defence would hold up.
Moorer plays well H2H at LHW with certain ATG's but not well with other LHW's. Like Moorer could probably stop Billy Conn because he woudn't try to outbox him and Conn wouldn't be able to keep him at bay. (Yes I know he gave Louis a run at HW, but Moorer has a different style and is a southpaw). He may very well give RJJ H2H problems at this weight because Jones is a small LHW who had good but not great power, great speed, but not alot of length. Jones would either outbox him or Moorer would stop him. Guys like Spinks and Foster were tall and lanky with boxing skills and power. The could keep him away by boxing him, and then hurt him while maintaining a distance that Moorer couldn't close. Basically Moorer needs to be able to come at you and push you backwards without getting outboxed very badly in the process. Spinks, Foster, Charles, Moore would hurt him and stop him. Then you have guys like Qawi would would make it a war. Not sure how that turns out, but I have a feeling that Qawi would limit Moorer's coming forward and make him fight going backwards. Moorer was never effective this way and would most likely get stopped.