The Allen/Ortiz fight is a complete joke.

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I feel extra bad for Allen after hearing he suffers from depression. I'm pretty sure he announced his retirement not long ago due to this, wtf is Hearn sticking him in with Ortiz for given that he's well aware of that? With friends like that you don't need enemies. Yes Allen has a big heart and serious cheen, but Ortiz is infinitely more experienced, way more skilled, and he huge power in both hands. Ortiz might not have impressed against Scott last time out but Scott only turned up for a paycheck and put in a pathetic effort.
     
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  2. ellerbe

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    Why didnt Hearn mathc Allen up with Lewison? It would be a decent fight, and I'm sure there would be some interest. I mean I know nothing about the british boxing scene but I'd tune in.
    The thing about Scott is he's actually a good defensive fighter, and moves around the ring well. Allen isn't going to be running around the ring. I hope Allen can pull off some miracle and land a liver shot or a shot to the temple and KO ortiz. Sad thing is Hearn probably wouldnt even care that much and would feed Allen to Joshua or someone else instead of helping him build a solid career.
     
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  3. Serge

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    No idea but it certainly would've been a better match up. They should be throwing Allen in with journeymen at the moment as he has lots to work on and he badly needs more experience. He looks quite adept defensively from the little I've seen of him, but offensively he's just horrible.

    Scott has a talent but he lacks heart.

    I used to think Hearn was OK but I'm not so sure anymore. Someone really should be looking out for Allen's welfare. If he actually manages to beat Ortiz I will be shocked something silly.
     
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  4. ellerbe

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    Lol it would definitely be shocking just wishful thinking. Not that I really dislike Ortiz, it's just that if he loses I dont think he'll sustain serious injury while, I'm scared for Allen.

    Who do you think would win between Allen and Lewison?
     
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  5. Serge

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    I've only seen like 2 or so of each of their fights. Both have good chins but Lewison has an extensive amateur background and he fought some very good guys. I hear he knocked out Odlanier Solis. That's a hell of a notch to have on your CV. So I'd lean towards Lewison. Allen's toughness really impressed me but nothing else about him did.
     
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  6. ellerbe

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    If it's a 8rd I'd agree only though I've only seen 1 fight from each of them. 12rd, I think Allen can wear Lewison out, Lewison looked out of shape against Whyte, and clearly had stamina issues. I doubt he'd be in better shape against Allen than he was with Whyte.
     
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  7. Serge

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    Yeah you're probably right about that. Allen's ability to take a shot and drag it into the late rounds might pull him through. But I was going on the premise that Lewison actually trained. He turned up in terrible shape for Whyte. lol

    But skill for skill I'd favour Lewison from what I've seen of them both. Maybe Allen's offence might be a little better in other fights than what it was against Whyte. But it looked terrible in that fight and I can't recall much about how he looked in the other fight I saw of his because I wasn't really paying attention.
     
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  8. The Icon!

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    So you're suggesting the winner of Chisora and Whyte fight twice in the same night. lol
     
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  9. madballster

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    Its not a bad for for Ortiz to get acquainted to fighting in the UK. I can see him going on the undercard of AJ vs. Wlad in March vs. winner of Chisora/Whyte.
     
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  10. The Icon!

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    Ortiz has just beaten Malik Scott and is rated as no.1 in the WBA.

    Who did Deontay Wilder fight after beating Malik Scott, well that would be Jason Gavern. Someone who Dave Allen has already beat.

    If Hearn is a scumbag for making that fight, does that also make Al Haymon a scumbag. From your username I already know what your agenda is going to be.

    Hearn is building up Ortiz against names recognizable to the UK public, and not guys who will run from him like Scott. This way when Ortiz is mandated to fight the Joshua-Klitschko winner, it does bigger numbers. While Hearn will make millions from this fight, you will still be collecting your dole money every second tuesday over there in the 'hood'
     
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    If he wanted Ortiz to stay away from Joshua, he wouldn't have instructed him to ditch the WBA interim, to make himself available in the IBF rankings. Ortiz is being fattened up to be fed to Joshua.
     
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  12. Unforgiven

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    I believe so. I'm not sure it will be March, or Wladimir, but on the next Joshua PPV anyway.
     
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  13. UnleashtheFURY

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    Ian Lewison had some potential at one point... But lacks any sort of discipline. He even had some early success against Whyte. I seriously doubt he'd be interested in a fight with Allen though. Other than the fight with Whyte where he showed up in horrendous shape he's only fought once in the last two years. I'd definitely favor him if a fight were to go down though. Allen has a case of sparring mentality if I've ever seen one... Where as Lewison is just a fat slacker. He's still far more dangerous.
     
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  14. The Icon!

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    You do know Hearn doesn't promote either Allen or Lewison right?

    When you say you know nothing about the Brtish Boxing Scence, why not change that to boxing in general?
     
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  15. Serge

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    Lewison only has himself to blame for not fulfilling his potential. I've only seen a couple of his fights but I remember reading about him in boxing mags ages ago and people were high on him back then.
     
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