The Anti-American sentiment on here...

I have experienced more contact, conversation, and experience with people from all over the world than you're average American.

You can go **** yourself as YOU HAVE DONE/SAID NOTHING other than attack me. Defend the indefensible??? What that YOU HATE AMERICANS and dont understand their behaviour or culture??



Take you're ignorant, biased, clown ass and go wipe it!!! OR?? Have a point and some relevant discussion.:hi:

 

To stick my own two penn'orth in:

I read (as a lurker) a lot of American based boxing sites. I am forever reading certain bigoted American posters coming out with comments like "he's an overprotected Euro bum" or "he's hiding in (insert name of country)". It's like nothing outside of the states matters. Many of them know jack sh1t about fighters or fights that are not in the states and are just flat out dismissive with an arrogant "if it ain't American it ain't worth knowing about" attitude. A minority to be sure, but unfortunately these idiots tend to be heard above the more sensible posters with their offensive and bigoted opinions. Excellent fighters like Hatton, Calzaghe, Witter, Woods, Michalczewski, Tiozzo, Ottke (well maybe I should scratch that one), Kessler are derided because they don't fight in the states. Despite the fact that Calzaghe, for one, has beaten just about every half decent 168lber the U.S has to offer.

A case in point goes to Clinton Woods. RJJ was absolutely pilloried for facing him, Woods was given no respect at all. Okay so Clinton didn't win, but he put up a decent show and subsequently proved himself as good as or better than a lot of the U.S based fighters (Gonzalez, Telesco, Griffin etc...) who did not get nearly as much stick.

On this board, the balance is the opposite, the majority of posters are European and hence the Americans come in for a lot of stick on the grounds of this attitude. Personally, I consider myself a fairly reasonable guy. I support my favourites, but am not blind to their faults and will call a fight as I see it. I don't think Hatton will beat Mayweather, though I will be rooting for him to kick that arrogant ass. It is this obnoxious few who are unable to see anything past their front window who provoke the anti-American feeling.

 

I got you wrong???

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph..................:nono :nono :nono

You took my statement out of context and used it as the basis for the "type of American behaviour" that you dislike. Yet, I wasnt saying anything that was in that vein.

You have repeatedly tried to stick to that assumption and beat that drum even though KG tried in a very civil manner to help you understand where you were wrong.

From what I've seen, it wasnt misunderstanding, you INTENDED to keep pushing you're agenda. Yes, some Americans behave badly in your eyes(and yes some really do, as does every otrher nationality). Yet when you dont understand the diffrence in behaviour or understand certain statements and keep on ranting away, IT SHOWS BIAS rather than an objective opinion of REAL BEHAVIOUR.

Bottomline?? You're a ****ing JERK!! But dont worry, i wont hold that against the rest of the people from you're country and generalize them as you do Americans. Since we're all grown up here?? Eh......

 

The only thing that makes you look bad?? Is the attitude which you have towards American's IN GENERAL and the misunderstandings that you have and put forth.

My original statement wasnt bad behaviour, it was actually saying that everyone should be welcome to their own feelings. You mistook the context in which I said and start babbling on and on about our selfishness, arrogance, and ignorance:-( :-(

Since it became clear, that even calm explanation as KG provided, still wouldnt penetrate the cement walls of you're narrow minded bias?? Yes, i have been belligerent in responses and that's how I deal with CLOSED MINDED individuals such as yourself. I've read your posts and find you're attitude and generalizations VERY SAD and see that you simply wont accept anything different than how you wanna see the issue.

Like I said earlier?? I wont hold you're views/opinion's against the rest of you're country and people.

 

Ran out of room to include each paragraph of you're's i responded to and edited to cut the total charcter amount. I'm sure you can filter you're own views.

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Of course, this also generously fails to mention that my favorite ex-president Ronald Reagan, by and through Don Rumsfeld who helped normalize relationships with Hussein, managed to help provide Iraq with weapons, biological agents, equipment used to build WMD programs built by US contractors and general tactical assistance in the war against Iraq. And as for Osama, one need only watch Rambo III to see how beloved the noble Afghan struggle against the Soviets was portrayed in the American mainstream media of that era and how Reagan's support of foreign intervention through folks like OBL in that conflict later came to bite the West in the ass.

To Reagan's credit, however, he did see the wisdom of arming a dictator who kept radical Islam in check. Whether anyone believes it or not, the world was much safer when Saddam was in power. I suppose that's why he went to the gallows smiling.

I know a lot of my fellow Americans really love to wave the flag every chance they get, but every time I travel out of the States I feel a little more embarassed and a little more responsible as a citizen of a jauggernaut that has seriously managed to mess up the stability of the Middle East for the next century.

 

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Uhhhhhh where to start?

Korean casualties (which the UK fought in, too, by the way):

UN forces: 16,000
US Forces: 33,600
S Korean Forces: 415,000

N Korean: 520,000
Chinese: 900,000

We didn't get our asses kicked there. The Chinese entered the war, we killed almost a million of them, and Truman and the UN just weren't willing invade China (the only thing that would have stopped their troops pouring in) and start WWIII. Peace was never officially achieved, as they are still in an indefinite cease fire with no official peace treaty signed.

Vietnam? Never should have been there. We COULD have won, but the human cost would have been horrible and not for any good reason.

Afghanistan and Iraq are cases where we destroyed the enemy forces pretty quickly and made the mistake of trying to occupy. The Brits didn't try to occupy Argentina, but they did come to Reagan to ask permission before attacking.

I work for the US military, and in a battle of armies the US could stomp the nearest 2 competators easily. We could tackle 2-3 Euro powers simultaneously. What we have difficulty with, as do all conquerers, is occupying hostile territory. If we wanted to play like the Mongols we could just create enough carnage to bathe the streets in baby's blood and win the peace, but I think the moral outrage of the American people (rightfully so) make that impossible to do.

Personally, I'd like to see the US pull back out forces. Europe has been piggybacking on our military power to lower their own security spending for generations now. We get nothing for it and should cut it off. I think eventually Americans will get sick of other industrialized nations enjoying free government services that we can't have because we make up for 60% of the global military spending.

 

Anybody else find this thead tedious!!

Bias exists on all sides gentlemen.

 

There is far too much American tolerance here -fullstop-

 

No it doesn't, it might exist on all sides if Brits hadn't been brainwashed by the American media -fullstop- Now even the Brits are convinced considering Calzaghe the best P4P fighter of the last decade is an example of pro-Brit bias -fullstop- It is sickening -fullstop-

 

Appreciate you're input but all of the quotes you responded too were by Fluxstuff. Just for clarity's sake.

 

Thank you Ward Churchill!!!!!!!!!!!!!




We arent solving world affairs here and it's quite clear that you and I have very different takes and opinion on the USA and its actions. I'm continually amused with the duality of you're "arguments", You try to have you're cake and it eat too. You love the US but we are the scourge of the world.:yep


I'm not going down the 10000 charcter post road again:nono I disagree with much of you're sentiment and vice versa.:good IMO, you blaim the US for the worlds problems. We are a superpower and such criticism and propoganda will always exist. In other words?? You'll always have company in you're views, but that doesnt make it true:good

 

Clinton cut military spending.

 

I'm done with you and hope you feel the same:good

You have done or said NOTHING which admits you took my view out of context and travel down you're merry road to righteousness with more BS. Have a nice time of it, I have no respect for you or you're viewpoints. You refuse to accept any responsibility for you're own misunderstanding and then accuse me of the same??:hi:

Not, poor, not a boy, and dont give a **** what you think or feel.

 

Trust me, it's accurate. Here's the figures from 2006, not counting Iraq/Afhanistan spending. The majority of US military spending is due to forward deployment bases around the world.

Quite frankly, I don't get it. I think our politicians motivation for maintaining this has a lot more to do with the desire to be in the middle podium during international meetings than actually helping America. What American interests are being protected by actions against Serbia, Somalia, Iraq, and signing "mutual" defense treaties with half the nations in the world? The Brits learned their lesson with this already. Maintaining global imperialism begins to cost more to maintain than it helps the country.... a big war or two and you're absolutely broke. We don't really get ANYTHING from our imperialism except prestige and no bid contracts for Haliburton.