The Anti-American sentiment on here...

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  1. smokey

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    Heh... I got confused with all the quoting.
     
  2. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    No problem, it's easily understandable especially after hitting the character limit as i did in response:good

    Never did that before and it's not worth going it again when dealing with opinion's of such as Fluff N STUFF:lol:
     
  3. Druid

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    It is obvious you work for the US military.
    Why don't u read some of what Robert Strange McNamara (who certainly knows far more about this topic than you) has to say about if the US could have won in Vietnam. That was an unwinable war for the US.

    The US makes MASSIVE foreign policy and Domestic mistakes. Slavery, Japanese Internment, McCarthyism, Prohibition, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Abu Ghrabi, Gitmo the list goes on. Don't try and make out that it is some benevolent power, it has a very poor record when compared to almost every other developed country. Right now it is run by a group of right wing fundementalist Christian thugs. It is a Democracy and the American people get what they deserve, unfortunately the rest of the world has to deal with this bully's foreign policy. This democratically elected government is a reflection of it's people so if anti-us sentiment is felt, perhaps it is deserved!
     
  4. H .

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    so back to boxing...
     
  5. Druid

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    BTW - Chomsky is a good man with some good points, perhaps you should READ his books, have seen him speak live a few times and he is a very thoughtful man and I think you could learn from him.
     
  6. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    :lol:

    As I said earlier??? The Us is a superpower and alway's assured of such criticism!!!

    This is a guy who sings the praises of Castro by gurgling sweat from his balls a a great leader and slings mud at the US at every turn.

    No one EXCEPT the US is responsible for anything in the eyes of people such as this.:nono
     
  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wow....that deserves no response.

    If you had to pick between watching paint dry and watching grass grow, what would you pick?
     
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    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    It's clear that bad US Foreign policy would poison the paint, thus preventing it from drying!!!!

    On the other hand??? Communitst's would push all the "pimps" off the grass so you could easily see it grow properly!!!!


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  9. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think people know much about our "democracy". I think they think we have some unlimited pool of people with from which to pick from.
     
  10. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    I guess it depends on the reading list they choose, I suppose.:lol:


    To you're point??? I dread the next election!! It's like choosing between veneral diseases:good
     
  11. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly.....but I have felt that way for a while now.
     
  12. smokey

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    I have. In every conflict you make decisions. We made the decision that were not willing to expand the war to the point necessary to win, and I don't think we should have, either. So, yeah, from that standpoint the war was unwinnable. We should have left far sooner, and really should never have been there.
    That is simply a joke. Yeah, the US had made plenty of mistakes, and I am 100% in favor of huge foreign policy changes, but look at the history of our precurser: the British Empire. Look at what the French did in Southeast Asia.

    Besides, there is no such thing as benevolent power. All power in the form of a nation-state involves the iniation of force over individuals or other states.

    Don't get me wrong, our foreign policy is all wrong, in my opinion. I work for the military, but I'd like to see our spending slashed about 60-75% and reduce our standing military to a size that makes sense. Our policies of propping a dictator here or toppling one there causes blowback terrorism on top of creating general resentment toward the US.

    Like MOST people in the world, the majority of American people either aren't aware of what we do around the world or see the actions of their nation through rose colored glasses. Just like someone educated in British government schools by historians writing from a British perspective, or some educated in Chinese schools, an American who doesn't voluntarily go out and seek further information will get the line that the government wants you to hear. I don't think that warrants a dislike of individual American people, just like Indian people shouldn't hate British people because of the atrocities committed against them by the British government/military. Most Brits probably didn't even know about it.
     
  13. Druid

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    I know a great deal about the US democracy and government and I dont think u have an unlimted set of choices, but surely u could have picked someone who knew who the leader of Pakistan was before he ran for office and someone that had a career path before he entered his 40's. Are u seriously saying that GW Bush is the best person for the job?
     
  14. smokey

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    Yeah.. we're not a democracy. We have a republican form of government, which is designed to avoid the problems of pure democracy. We've moved a lot closer to true democracy in the 20th century, though.

    The European parlimentary/proportional party systems are very different than what we have here. I'm a libertarian. There are about 5-6 million of us in the US. We don't have a single elected official in a partisan office due to a system that really only supports 2 dominant parties. Occasionaly a party dies out or a new one takes over, but it always ends with two in viable positions.
     
  15. Druid

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    The Vietnam war was unwinable because you cannot kill an idea with guns and bombs unless u kill everyone who believes in that idea. That was the majority of Vietnamese people. The US tried to win for years and ended up evacuating from the roof of the Embassy.


    All power is not corrupt. Power comes in all forms, Ghandi freed India from the Brits wearing nothign more than a home-spun wrap and with no political office or army...That is true power!


    I don't defend the French for what they did in Indochina or North Africa. They learned by their mistakes though. The British were some of the worst offenders. I thought the conversation was about the US?