The Anti-American sentiment on here...

Very good post!

 

I don't think that american's believe that they alone won the war. I think that they feel pissed off at all the **** they take from the very people who they fought to protect and feel the need to remind them of it. And to suggest that
Germany would have been defeated without them is illogical (kind of like backin Tzu over Sweet pea just because he's an american is ilogical). And it just doesn't add up. I know being a Canadian that few things in this world **** me off more then when some French president gives his support to a Quebec sepratist given howmany CANADIANS are burried on their soil. Given that this is how I feel over something that happens soo rarely I can imagine that some americans must want to shout "hey you ungreatful ****s, how about you try cutting us a break".


Oh and another thing had the us never joined the war the only way that Germany would have been defeated would have been if Russia conquered Europe and that would have been swapping one dictatorship for another. Try and remember that when your down playing the American contribution.

 

No spin.
Apparently u have trouble handling the truth, so much so you resort to personal attacks. You seem to spend all of your time defending the indefensible and trying to come up with a retort and ignore the facts.
Remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but everyone is not entitled to their own facts!

 

I agree that at times people do go an anit US rant that is unwarranted. But at the same time guys like Calzaghe and Hatton are criticized to a much greater degree then I feel they would be if they were US fighters. However, it is natural to have bias towards fighters from your own country as all people on this board do almost without exception. I think that the russians,Mexicans, pinoys, aussies and danish people on the boards are just as guilty of doing the same thing, only in some cases to a greater degree. At the end of the day people just need to put it aside and get on with it. Pretending to be a perfect and completely objective poster as some guys do is rubbish, as everyone has their own bias, just to varying degrees.

 

You are now entering FANTASY LAND.

I didnt create or change facts, POST EM if you got em:good

Get off you're high and invisible horse:yep

You are entitled to you'r opinions but not entitled TO MAKE UP YOU"RE OWN SHITE EITHER!!!

 

There will always be american haters. Its the best country to live in and thats why its hated so much so the athletes get it too. I dont take offense though--its just the world we live in.

 

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This is the exact time of **** that I hate on this board! :fire

America's the best because of so and so... Oh no, Europe is the best because of so and so... Oh no, White people are superior... Oh no, black people are superior...

We're not here to talk politics, boys! We're here to talk boxing!

 

Most powerful and rich, yes. Certainly.

Best country to actually LIVE in? HELL NO!

No matter the state, or the town, I feel like I'm gonna get mugged walking down the street!

 

Agreed. I love living in Australia and I wouldn't change it for the world. The people, the culture, the city, the economy everything over here to me is great. Obviously i am biased, and I am not saying Australia is the best, but I wouldn't say America is the best country to live in either. I have heard heaps of Yanks over here through my job say how Australia is just so much more relaxed and much friendlier. How they feel much safer as well. Its all just a matter of perspective. No one country is the best.

 

There are certainly advantages and disadvantages. Yes, the crime here can be fantastic and crazy, but there are of course other things you will probably find more in abundance in the US than anywhere else, and in a positive way.

It has it's good and bad points, I assume, like all other countries (though I admit to never being to Europe, just the Carribean and South America)

 

I think where you run into the venue situation is this.

If you have 10 fighters. All of them world class and 10 different nationalites, all fighting from 140-147. Only a couple are going to make more money fighting in their home countries than in the US. Simply because of economics. Some European fighters make more in their home countries, but that is not the case around the world.

So, of those 10 fighters, 7 come to the US because they can make more money here. 3 stay home because they can make more money fighting at home. The issue then becomes that the 3, who are all different nationalities mind you, are not fighting each other because they make more money at home....they are also not fighting the other 7 for the same reason. However, those 7 in the US are fighting each other to some extent.

This is generally what happens and why people will say that fighters often will need to come here. Not because they are American fighters, not cuz of the venues, but because the majority of the best fighters come here for the money, making the competition stiffer. This is not ALWAYS the case. But it is often enough that you get that cliche of "Fight in the states"

 

Thats exactly how it is on here with at least 50% of the american posters on this site.

They think there fighters are the best and until you have beaten an american fighter then you ain't worth ****.

Just look at the slagging Hatton, Calzaghe, Enzo Mac and even David Haye get on here from time to time.

Im sorry (to the thread starter) but you are talking bollocks im afraid, if anything its the other way round.

 

I'm not Anti-American

I'm Uncle-Sam

Seriously though, I being British, do see alot of general (outside of boxing) derision of the US, mainly due to foreign policy, sometime due to over zealous patriotism and a perceived 'over the top' culture.

I have been to the States on many occasions and found it to be a thoroughly likeable place, with thoroughly likeable people.

Certainly in some British Media quarters everyone in the US is tarred with the same brush.

I think the issue is that some posters on here are anti-something, whether British, American, Euro, Eastern Euro, Oz, Asia. Some people on here also play the race/national card too quickly, it's because he's white/black/hispanic..whatever.

I respect the boxer, the action they bring, the humility outside of the ring, the persn as a human being. I dont care for colour, creed, nationality.

Lets just learn how to get along!!!

 

This is the type of post that incites threads like this. I have lived in Europe, Australia and currently reside in the US. It is very difficult to make any argument that the US is the best country (no universal health care, serious racism issues, highest percentage of it's population in Prison, unnecessary wars, GW Bush, freedoms are very restricted here...the list goes on and on) all countries have good points and negatives and that statement is like saying rice is the best food in the world. The peopel who generally make statements like this have not travelled much.

I judge fighters on their abilities and to a certain extent their personalities, with that said I don't find PBFM rediculous v's Hatton, Hatton is more beloved for sure, but PBFM work ethic is second to none , he is a product of his upbringing, look at his Dad and uncle and u can see why Floyd is like he is, not something one can judge about any more so than a persons religious convictions.

 

non american fighters are seriously underrated by Americans, and American fighters overrated

For example, Travis Simms (an American) beat Jose Antonio Rivera and people started claiming he was a really elite fighter and really good... Alot of people, mostly americans, said he would probably beat anyone in the division.

Then Alcine beats him in the US, and he gets no props, all of a sudden Simms was never that good..

Double standards by a majority of Americans lead to all Americans being doubted.