The argument that American Heavies are "in other sports"

huh?? Jamaica a country of less than 3 million took the mens 100 and 200 metres, the womens 100 and 200 metres, mens 100 relay, womens 400 hurdles

 

God you're dumb. I was referring to high school moron 16-18 year olds.

 

Thats what his bio says moron.

He was a competitive tennis player and cyclist.

No you cant moron. There are tons of guys in america who are tall, very few make it to college, and even fewer make it to the NBA. A guy like Pau Gasol is in the NBA because he is skilled not because he is tall. It would be like saying that because most soccer players are midgets that just because you are a midget you'll be good at soccer. :rofl

:rofl tell me dope. Brock Lesnar the UFC champion US national champion in wrestling couldnt make it in the NFL, why is that if it requires no skill. Please just shut up eurotard you know nothing about the game.

 

You could make an argument because of the decline of boxing, that the best athletes arent participating.

However, there are so many intangibles. So many.

Basketball and Football just don't require the heart boxing does. Nor the chin, haha.

For all we know, these American NBA stars could be great heavyweights that never were.

Also, for all we know, that can't take a punch worth a lick and can't persevere when a fight gets tough.

Hence, its a non argument. You can't prove whether or not they'd have been great or not.

 

And I'm talking about the potential.

 

If the reason America isn't producing heavyweights is down to the NFL or NBA, where are the American lightweights? America has always done well there, yet there are three in the top 10 and Peterson doesn't deserve to be there. There are three legit top 10 American 140lbers, which is down. Not doing much better at 147lbs either.

People just focus on the heavyweight division because it's be so long since the best heavyweight was America but this is a theme running throughout boxing. Even in the divisions were the best is America, there is a lack of depth.

The problem America has, is boxing is now a global sport. It doesn't dominate like it used to. Going back just 20 years, there was nowhere near the global exposure that there is now.

And, honestly, America just isn't producing warriors any more. The new breed of fighters coming through, have a significant lack of warrior spirit, compared to the previous generations. It's a shame because over the years, America has produced so many unbelievably tough guys, but I think those days are over.

 

Overall this is a good post, though I think there's an overgeneralization at the end.

I agree that since boxing is a global sport that it can't always be dominated by one country or continent.

However, the reason I believe that we Americans cite heavyweights and focus on heavyweights almost exclusively in this argument is simply because the 4 major sports in the states are more conducive to heavyweights than the most popular sport in all of Europe, football(soccer). There's not too many times where you look out on the a soccer field and say "Wow! That guy could make a great heavyweight!" In American football it's natural because there's so many guys who are so freaking big and explosive at the same time (in a way an example of this is to look at some of the smaller guys in the NFL Danny Woodhead is a tiny running back for the Patriots and he's 5'7...195lbs.). However, it doesn't stop with football, even though that's America's most popular sport by a wide margin. There's some big guys in baseball(some of whom played college football). There's obvious a ton of big guys that are both huge and incredibly athletic. Even in hockey there's a lot of big and pretty athletic guys.

For the most part, if there's a really athletic kid he's more than likely going to be steered into at least a couple of these sports growing up...in all likelihood before boxing comes into discussion. I imagine in Europe it's the same with soccer.

Having said all that, being a great athlete doesn't make you a great boxer. There's a lot of factors. Would they have the chin? Would they have an iron will? Who knows. But with the large number of big and insanely athletic players playing other sports in college and pros it's hard not to imagine that there wouldn't be some great boxers out there.

 

America has never ever dominated the lightweight division. It has always had maybe 1 or 2 good Americans and the rest are latin. Same at super featherweight.

Bradley
Peterson
Ortiz
Alexander
Judah
Malignaggi

What the hell are you talking about?

No actually its better then its been since I can remember in terms of american talent.

Mayweather, Mosley, Berto, Williams, and then prospects like Porter, Solomon and Jones on the come up.

Boxing has always been a global sports with tons of foreign superstars. Napoles, Duran, Chavez, Benitez, Trinidad, Monzon ect. Again what the hell are you talking about?

Williams
Mosley
Bradley
Alexander
Ward
Kirkland
Rios
Cloud

Are all high volume fast paced in your face fighters. Even Mayweather will walk down a fighter bigger then him if he has to. Again just shut up you do not know what the **** you're talking about limey.

Shannon Briggs a C level Ameircan fighter just had his face shattered for 12 rounds and refused to quit because "you cant quit infront of your wife" and was in the hospital for 2 days. Both Chambers and Arreola took massive beatings against the Klitsckos and didnt give up. They are warriors even if their talent doesnt match their spirit.


Now compare that to that Limey david haye who wont even get into the ring with the Klitsckos, and its clear what country produces the tougher fighters.

 

Yeah Pavlik doesnt have the potential to be a great basketball player. Just shut the **** up because you obviously dont know what the **** we were referring too.

 

Americans tend to forget that most of their top athlete's and boxers are descents from other countries which now come in to play because of globalization of sport.
You don't become magically stronger only if you are from USA(better PEDS but still).

 

Yep, this tired arugment is an excuse for hurt American egos. We all know the American ethos of better, faster, stronger and the world revolves around us. They've been fed this bs since the 50s. Now, that the US heavies are getting their asses handed to them, the public and commentators are experiencing cognitive dissonance. So, to make it all nice and consistent, they invent this nice little narrative about other competative sports, as if other countries didn't have other competative big men sports and as if lucrative contracts were just invented. Newsflash: Boxing is a niche sport everywhere, not just the states. There are many countries (eg., Poland) where volleyball (which doesn't even register in the US) is more popular than boxing. So stop the juvenile , cliched denials US fans and media and address the real causes of your HW woes. One of them is laziness and obesity. For christ sake, look at your football and baseball athletes - many of them don't look like athletes at all, they are porkers.

 

Goddamn you are a ****in ******. Read the actual arguments in the thread moron.

 

American HW are in NFL\NBA= Ukrainian HW in Wrestling and Politics. tough **** you are not the best at anything.

 

the american amature system has deen in a steep decline since 88 so as you would expect the amount of well schooled in shape heavy men have decreased

 

Wrestling and Politics?