The argument that American Heavies are "in other sports"

Compare that to the skill required in football and will see it's nothing.

Having to memorize different routes is not a SKILL (unless you are a ****** that can't remember ****).

 

It's quite telling that two of our best heavyweight hopefuls only took up boxing when their basketball and football careers didn't pan out, that being Deontay Wilder and Seth Mitchell.

The point is that Americans dominated the heavyweight division for generations so the question of "what happened?" is naturally raised. You could say that foreign talent has increased, and that may be true, but it can't be discounted that American talent has decreased and the question is WHY? It's a perfectly legit reason to point to the fact that there has been a steady decrease in participation in favor of other sports. I don't know why that's so hard for some people to accept.

 

So when this thread is broken down to its simplest form, it sounds like "Black men are the elite athletes and the only reason the Klitschkos are dominating is because black men are in other sports" Am I off base with this assumption?

 

Yes it just a stupid argument, advanced by ******ed Americans who have trouble dealing with the British and European domination of the division for last 12 years

 

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Lots more than 10 NY boxing gyms listed here

http://www.boxinghelp.com/new_york.html
http://www.boxinggyms.com/addresses/newyork.htm

maybe the article writer got lost on his travels :hey

 

Whether or not they are in other sports is irrelevant to the real point: interest in boxing in the US is at an all-time low. The US amateur system is not healthy and many boxing gyms are either closing or are very close to shutting down.

 

I don't get it either.


Maybe it has something to do with the world's inherent hatred for the U.S. and its culture which is constantly shoved down their throat. I understand. America isn't the flagship of the free world and the country that God smiles on. I understand how you can be sick of these USA USA USA chanting loudmouth overpatriotic tourists that you run into.


Still doesn't change the fact that the most athletic kids in the US by far don't even think about boxing. You guys really think the most athletic guys with heart in America over 200 lbs. is Eddie Chambers and Chris Arreola?????????

 

The thing is with this debate, is it's been done many times before. It was done in Britain in the early 1900's, it was done in America when Schmeling was the champion and the only top American was Joe Louis. It was repeated in the era post-Marciano and pre-Liston. In fact, many people weren't sure about Ali either and thought, because he had a slick style, that the era of heavyweights in America was done after Liston.

It's nothing new. Boxing is cyclical and right now there's a slump in the heavyweight division for American's, but history shows this will not last, as long as America produces enough fighters. They are producing more heavyweights than anyone else right now, by a long shot, so it's inevitable. There is no huge rush to the NFL or NBA because once these genetically gifted athletes realise they aren't good enough for that sport, boxing is an alternative as it was for many fighters.

The issue is that American fighters aren't prepared to put in the effort and lack that desire they once had, which is replicated throughout all divisions. I guarantee that if this recession hits America really hard, there will be more elite American's. America over the past few decades has gone soft and there needs to be a change in mentality - To get away from the soft MTV generation, who eat McDonalds and listen to soft RnB ****. I know that because it's the same in Britain but to a lesser degree. When this happens, the American heavyweights will be back. Boxing is too deeply routed in society, especially American society, to not bounce back.

 

the reason we dont get your excuse is because we can still produce mw/smw with football being much bigger in england than any sport is in the usa. And this ''athlete, one fits all'' is bull****, just because someone can play basketball doesnt mean they can be a boxer...look at jordans **** stint in baseball

 

I can agree with that but overhere 1 thing you need to understand. FootBall is an American sport may be THE American Sport, Basket Ball TOO
They see this on tv every day when Basket Ball season is over FootBall season starts and its on Prime Time TV most families watch these sports.
Boxing doesnt come until After Dark Late and it dosnt come on every saturday like football basketball comes on every otherday during basketball season each team plays 80 sum games.
Theres not much of an entertainment slot on the daily news for boxing and espn rarely covers it.
Im surprised boxing is as big as it is.

Oddly enough in highschool all the basketball and football players do is act tough and fight

 

You know, the argument itself is something I don't have a problem with. It's just curious because that trend has literally been going on for decades, but it's come out the loudest and most frequently now. It just reeks of sour grapes because there wasn't near the widespread attention given to it as long as we were still producing the top heavyweights. Now that other countries have caught up at the top level, there's been an unprecedented amount of fans devaluing the same great accomplishment of being a top heavyweight boxer. A lot of people use that trend as an excuse to knock the foreign guys while conveniently ignoring that the exact same paradigm was in place for the champions whose returns they long for.

It's that hypocrisy that bugs the hell out of me. If that argument is taken to it's full limit, we'd find that no champion since the 20's should get full credit because that's when we had the most professional boxers and the U.S. depth in every division was crazy.

 

No, you still don't know what you're talking about. You don't have an inkling of how routes, audibling, and strategy come together to make a back's game very, very cerebral. You don't understand how they have to learn how to adjust all of those routes to a defensive formation after the whistle. What you're saying is the equivalent of "hurrrrr durrrr soccer is where they kick the ball around until they kick it into the goal"

You don't know anything about this sport. Just shut up and let it go, you're embarassing.

 

Only if they allow sprinting with your back forward.