The argument that American Heavies are "in other sports"

Holy **** I had to quote this before you realised what you'd just typed.

In Rugby's punting hangtime and field position are just as important you idiot!!atschatsch

 

Then its different in precision. Doesnt matter. Its completely different styles which is clear to see unless you're complete moron.

 

Hear are the facts
1. The best heavyweights in the world right now are Wladimir Klitschko & Vitali Klitschko. There is no heavyweight in the world that is going to beat them right now. American, European or from anywhere else.
2. When the Klitchkos' retire or decline the heavyweight devision will open up and become more competive across the board.
3. The best American heavyweights are boxing. The best American heavyweights will always be boxing. See facts 1 and 2 as to why there is no American heavyweight champion.
4. David Haye is a not = to the Kitschkos'. He just happens to hold the one championship belt that neather of them have for the time being. If he fights either of them. The Klitchko's will have al four major heavyweight championships between them.
5. To be great at any sport one needs a certan degree of natural athletic ability. You can learn a lot and through hard work go very far, but without that natural ability only so far. I can say with the up most confindance that the Klitchkos' are the best athletes of their size in Europe. The American heavyweights are not the best athletes in America.
6. The quility of European boxing has improved over the past 10 or so years. Mostly Eastern European.
7. MMA is gaining in popularity. It is on American TV more than boxing is more MMA gyms are poping up than boxing gyms. It is easier for an American intresting in combat/fighting sports to get started in MMA than it is in boxing.
8. Football, and Basketball are more popular than boxing and give more oppertunity to a big and tallanted athlete than boxing dose in America.
Sure Basketball is popular in Europe but not the way it is in the U.S.
Soccer Dose not take from Europe's heavyweight talant pool.

 

1. Tomasz Adamek
2. Tomasz Adamek
3. Nonsense
4. David Haye must fight
5. Tomasz Adamek
6. Fall of the Iron Curtain
7. Punching unconscious people
8. NBA = no chance in boxing

 

Doesn't Tomasz Adamek live in New Jersey now days?

 

do you ever tire of being wrong?

 

A bunch of Rugby League players have tried there hands at boxing, with limited success. Except for Anthony Mudine. Here is the best tackle I can remember from Rugby League and would challenge any yank to find a better NFL tackel...
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So rugby kickers don't take into account hang time and position?

Right...

The funny thing is, is when it's you who doesn't have a clue, you know what your first defence is every time? It's to laugh and say "you know nothing". Over and over again. You've just shown your complete lack of rugby knowledge here, so you cover that by saying I know nothing. I've watched both the NFL and rugby for years, so I do know about both sports. For you to say that, tells me you know nothing about rugby. Have you ever watched a full game?

 

Dont me silly, the americans are the best in the world at the tackle, because there apparently "superior" at these things :-(

 

If international wrestling switched from Freestyle to Folkstyle (what Americans compete in primarily up through college NCAAs) that might change a bit....totally different scoring system....

Case in point....Alan Gelegolov's freestyle backgound....Trained under Russian wrestling legend Buvaisar Saitiev in Krasnoyarsk, Siberia for five years ... Won an international tournament in Nice, France in 2006 ... Took third at the 2006 Russian National Championship ... Third-place finisher at the International Youth Wrestling Tournament in Kalinigrad in 2006 ...Pretty darn good credentials.... In folkstyle he got 7th place in the NCAA tournament which considering the transition is impresssive...

 

exactly

 

so it needs to be switched to cater for yanks,

 

He would have had a better point if he had highlighted the differences in formation and the possibilities of fakes etc(can this happen in rugby? never seen it), but w/e.

 

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You couldn't be more right. Since when has boxing been chock full of super athletes anyway, particularly heavies?

Was Sonny Liston a fantastic athlete? George Foreman or Marciano?

Was Ali? Especially when most of the "athletic" achievements posted on here are dead lifts, sprints etc. I expect there would have been literally thousands of people on earth who could have outperformed Ali in all of those things. But how many could have beaten him?

And who was his hardest challenge? the super athletic Joe Frazier of course.

You take all of those super athletes, and put them in the ring against one of my favourite athletic boxers, David Tua ( ) somewhere near his best.


Being an excellent athlete can of course be an advantage as a boxer, obviously. But it's not the be all and end all.

 

And Sav Rocca was a past in AFL player, who at his best was known for being a big kick, who struggled with accuracy. I'm very surprised he made it at NFL level.

Ben Graham was another Aussie who left AFL (he still had a couple of years at the top level left in him though) and made it as an AFL kicker.