The argument that American Heavies are "in other sports"

the best American heavy is Mayweather.

 

Tyson was about 215 in his prime and would probably get his ass handed to him in some of those indicators mentioned in this thread like dead lifts etc. Face it, its a totally different sport.

 

i do think that less popularity in boxing nationwide in the U.S,less stars of american boxing,less famous amateur stars,does affect number of quality heavyweights.

also the business is dirty,its much safer and easier to earn big bucks as an athlete in another sport which is easier to do and less risky.

And do you think any heavyweight fancies going to germany and getting a decision agaisnt klitschkos?or even getting the contract to be normal!.

 

If Shaq had trained in boxing, he would batter the Klit Bros.

 

You might want to break that down per capita by actual sporting nations. You will find that sheer number of people doesnt mean much when you look at total populations. England for example has about 5x as many HW boxers total per capita than the USA.

Finally, I would wager that if you compared these numbers 40-50 years ago the USA has been in decline per capita on a fairly drastic curve.

 

Utter rubbish, there has to some untapped super Negro hiding in basketball and gridiron because two white guys are beating down the bro's :huh. Fact is blacks aren't as good at pugilist sports as they think they are. We wouldn't see these threads if the K's were West African ancestory.

 

Blacks better in boxing - FACT. I could give Whites - wrestling, and weight lifting, swimming, but that's about it. Have you ever watched the ****ing National Football League, those guys are 250+ of muscle and bone, and athletic as hell. Way quicker, stronger and explosive, The Klits wouldn't stand a chance. There is just more money in the NFL and NBA than there is in boxing in America. Everyone watches Football and Basketball, that is what they dream of being since childhood.

"I want to be like Mike", they are talking about Jordan, not Tyson.

Hell, even the white linebackers in the NFL would beat the **** out of the K Bros.

 

isn't that obvious though.. all the better more athletically gifted men are in other sports.. the heavyweights in america are mostly all fat or old

 

Britain's entire population is 60million. America's is 300million. Based on those figures If you scale America had the same size population as Britain, then America would have 85 heavyweight boxers. I.e. more than double.

To me the rise of the UFC really shows the problem with American boxing. Even though the sport has no tradition beyond 1994 it has tons of Americans, particularly white and middle class Americans, taking part. And that participation is based in large part on the high school and college wrestling system. [FONT=&quot] There are 265,000 people wrestling at high-school and 8,000 men wrestling whilst at college in the US - a ****ing huge pool of talent to be converting into fighters. And they're all battle harden by years of competition - I interviewed Gray Maynard last year and he said that:

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You're just not getting that ability for kids to pick up the sport young and treat it like its there life unless you're lucky or have the right connections. I certainly don't get the sense that there's a thriving high school or college scheme that is easily accessible. And the sad thing is that many of the wrestlers would clearly have prefered being a boxer to being a wrestler - so many of them just absolutely fall in love with punching dudes in the face when they begin to learn standup. If you had a proper high school and NCAA boxing scheme and you'd a very healthy pool of amateur boxers to develop into true pros.

 

Whites are pretty good in MMA, I am not some bigot who is totally discounting any race in anything, but because boxing is not really a sport of fighting, it is a sport of punching. The sport closest to actual fighting is MMA, and whites are really good in it.

 

Eh, please include tennis and football (real football, i.e soccer, the WORLD game!, and not that joke of a sport nobody watches outside of the US) An athlete to me is a Roger Federer or Lionel Messi, the two best players in their sports AND European ancestory. Blacks are strong on the physical side true, but they lack the finesse and culture required to equal a Federer or Messi. From my outside perspective, Gridiron is a meathead sport for MEATHEADS. There is no skill at all in it. All the plays are controlled by an army of coaches, finesse and ability required, zero! To be special, brute force isn't enough, nor is speed over short sprints, although it will get you very far in many sports i.e American Football. And these bigger guys are NOT fit to go twelve rounds with even a good top 100 HW pro. They are conditioned for short plays lasting a few seconds, don't make me laugh they'd beat down anybody. They'd be on oxygen after one round.

 

Plain nonsense America doesn't have champions anymore because they can't.American heavyweights from the past are plain overated.Klitschko's would of knocked out half of their top ten list.The other five fights would of been wars.

 

I would say in brute functional strength, Whites are stronger, a good example is Alexander Karelin. I don't really watch the so called finesse sports tennis, soccer etc.

What you say about cardio-conditioning is true, but those athletes would train differently if they boxed.

I disagree with your characterization of NFL players lacking skill and finesse, there is a lot of technique, skill and intelligence involved, its not just brute strength. You have to grow up watching it to truly appreciate it.

 

No, just no.