The argument that American Heavies are "in other sports"

NFL Salaries by position, the Defensive Ends, Linebackers, and some Wide Receivers are monsters. And this doesn't include win bonuses, plus endorsement deals, from Nike, Gatorade, etc. Boxing is ****, Wlad probably has to pay his whole team, these guys don't, the Team pays for training, medical staff, etc.

1 NFL season lasts from 1s week of Sept to the first week of Jan, when has Wlad made that kind of money in the same span of time?

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsda.../player/top-25

 

If the K brothers were average height, they would be nobodies, they just use their reach, put a 7foot athletic monster in with them, with proper training, they will school the Ukrainians.

 

yeah thats right, everything Wlad/Vitali did was down to their height.atsch

would you believe it the other way around - if Wlad/Vitali were not boxers do you honestly think they would be world class American Footaball players or Basketball players?

with the proper training, of course.......

 

Could they have been starters in the NFL or NBA? Quite possibly.

 

i doubt it.

obvously we disagree on this point so i will leave it there.

 

wow that was all I needed to know. of course Arreola and Chambers are the greatest HW athletes in America.

 

The Klitschko's have had little trouble with bigger fighters.:think
McCline, Jefferson, Austin, were all easy knockouts for Wald, Timo Hoffmann was 6'9" and 260lb, but never even won a round against Vitali.

 

Again.

For those idiots that don't think athleticsm matters in athletics...

Wow. This board is going way downhill. I feel like it's 1932 and the Nazi's are trying to prove racial superiority and the more they believed their diatribe, the more it hurt when they realized they set themselves up for their own downfall. Word are powerful. They can provoke men to do what was previously unthinkable.

Ask yourself if the NBA and NFL did not exist and in its place was only boxing, if Wladimir Klitschko would be champ. And it's not even that there are better athletes than him, which of course there are, it's that he lacks the one intangible that can overcome physical superiority. He proved he lacked this when he went down the second time in the Sanders fight without getting hit, his manhood stripped away as if he never was born with a pair of balls in the first place; and he continues to prove this today by avoiding anybody with speed and power. What's worse is the racoist media allows him to get away with it while simeltaneously deriding his black adversary.

But the audacity to say that a man with no heart, who hasn't even mastered every punch in boxing let alone all the technical skills, would continue to be dominant in the scenario that I've presented, should hang their racist, ignorant heads in shame. This is an insult to guys like Ali and .arciano, who not only had skill, but were willing to die in the ring to win. Compare that to the cowering Klitschko and rethink your position.

 

If participation is the argument you hold against Wlad, Ali must be viewed the same way as boxing hadn't had its pick of the litter of premier athletic heavyweight talent since before WWII. The same dynamics of lower boxing participation that affect the division today - great athletes choosing "safer" sports like baseball, football, and basketball in their formative years instead of boxing- were in full force by the 60's and 70's.

The dropoff didn't happen overnight, it's been going on for 50+ years. Not since Dempsey and Louis was boxing king of the sporting hill with thousands of competing U.S. fighters to fight through to get to the top.

 

This ^

 

Correction : Boxing had become a niche sport because you did not have athletes to compete. Is as Simple as that. Period

 

Ok lets look at some of the greatest HWs of the modern era

Tyson
Lewis
K Bros
Holyfield
Fraizer
Foreman

Thats a batch of guys from the modern era. Does anyone know the deadlight or bench numbers for these guys. I bet there arent as high as those beasts you have in the NFL. Illl give you one thing though that there are lots of fast strong big guys in NFL and maybe if they boxed from a young age you may have greater ATG HW's at the moment but being faster and stronger is not the only element of boxing.

Again when Ali or Louis were fighting, were there better 'athletes' out there who could put up better numbers?

 

basketball players are pussies!

lebron is the biggest one, he would start crying after a hit in the face with a jab! put lebron in with Wlad, Vitali, he would get KTFO!

 

Bottom line, steroid pumped lumps that charge into each other on a field, whatever they are paid, is NO evidence of supremacy at pugilist sports. End of!

 

NFL players during Ali's heyday were nowhere near as athletic as they are now, and they made a hell of a lot of less money than elite Boxers. Even during Tyson's initial run, NFL players usually were not multi-millionaires, so from an economic point of view, it would make sense to go into heavyweight boxing rather than ball sports. But now it is a different story.