The arguments can stop ... a new RING Heavyweight Championship Lineage Begins February 22

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not so much.

    Tyson Fury is the #1 contender. Wilder is the #2. The top two are fighting.

    The winner will be the champion. Joshua will move up from his current #3 spot once the winner is announced.

    Whether Joshua becomes the top contender depends on how this fight shakes out. The loser of this fight may still be rated ahead of him. (His loss to Ruiz was a BAD loss.)

    And Joshua may never fight the winner. Holmes never fought Dokes, Page, Thomas, Coetzee, Tubbs, etc., and they were all champs while he was the WORLD champion. It happens.

    But we still recognize Holmes as the World Champion.
     
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  2. Simon Head

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    No they are not, and no the winner will not be champion.
    Until they beat the champion, they can not be the champion.
     
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  3. Special one

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    Great troll thread btw. Just keep repeating the same Heavyweight Champion of the World line and eventually someone replying might actually agree!? Remind us, what is up for grabs on Sat night other than to be the guy that gets the opportunity to fight the Landlord and earn that big money and undisputed status in what will be the biggest HW fight in history??
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson Fury's microphone open during the shoving match.

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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not a troll thread.

    It's sharing a bit of history.

    Like Patterson-Moore. Like Schmeling-Sharkey. A new lineage is beginning.

    You guys are so caught up in your loyalties to one boxer you can't see what's happening right under your noses. Moan all you want, but it's happening.

    We'll have a new WORLD Heavyweight Champion in TWO DAYS.
     
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  6. Special one

    Special one Active Member Full Member

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    I look forward to the fight, no doubt! It's clear you obviously believe this to be THE fight at HW and will determine who is the best. For me and many others ( as per this thread) that will only be determined when the winner of this bout takes on Anthony Joshua. After that there is no debating it!
     
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  7. Jamzy ⭐

    Jamzy ⭐ Active Member Full Member

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    What about the prestigious lineal champions of the past such as Shannon Briggs and Adonis Stevenson?
     
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  8. Doppleganger

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    Nope.

    Not when 1 guy holds 3 versions of the belt.

    It might be different if it was one guy, say a Martin or Wallin, who held the WBO title say but whether you like it or not, Joshua still has the best resume and is still very much around. He avenged his loss and whilst I agree he is #3 now, by virtue of the fact he's actually lost, it's very fine margins between the big 3.

    I just want to address the 2 versions of Wlad that Fury and Joshua fought. It's well known that the Fury Wlad had personal issues outside the ring and was jaded having defended his title so many times. Against Joshua he was much more focused and a hungry contender. IMO the Wlad of the Joshua fight KOs Fury. He should have stopped AJ in the 6th but well, Vitali advised his little bro to let AJ off the hook and the rest is history, as they say.
     
    Doppleganger, Feb 21, 2020
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  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Yes and No.

    The fight will crown the Champion of the division , but it won't crown an Undisputed Champion.

    Being Undisputed is what matters. Only when the winner beats Joshua will there be an Undisputed Champ.

    In an era of multiple belts you can grab the Ring Belt and call yourself Champ of the division.

    Cotto was the the MW Champ on paper after beating Martinez but nobody thought of him as the Man of the division. He had to beat Golovkin who held 3 of the 4 belts to become the real Champ.

    Back in 2006 Byrd was #1 and Rahman was #2. Both held a belt each. Brewster and Valeuv held the others.

    Byrd vs Rahman wouldn't have crowned an Undisputed Champ. Don King even said as much a year earlier when all 4 of his guys were belts holders. He knew that only an Undisputed Champ is the real HW Champ. And you can only achieve that by collecting all the belts.


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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Vitali Klitschko was the RING champion in 2005. Don King didn't promote Klitschko. Rahman had a WBC "interim" belt (I know. I was there when he picked it up against Monte Barrett.) And Chris Byrd was a beltholder for fewer than four months in 2006 before Wlad destroyed him.

    None of what you wrote has anything to do with the fight Saturday between the #1 rated undefeated heavyweight and the #2 rated undefeated heavyweight who are squaring off.

    The winner Saturday will be presented with the RING championship belt designating him as the WORLD heavyweight champion.

    If you have to go back 12 years to try to make a flawed argument quoting a promoter discussing a tournament that never happened, you're reaching.

    We have a legit #1 vs #2 battle of unbeatens for the WORLD title Saturday.

    Just enjoy it, for God's sake.

    It's a rare moment.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And some people are still pissy about Larry Holmes not fighting guys like Pinklon Thomas and Michael Dokes when they had belts.

    Larry Holmes was still the WORLD champion.
     
    Dubblechin, Feb 21, 2020
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  12. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Negative. It was relinquished from Vitali when he retired. The same thing happened to Fury due to his inactivity after the Wlad win. Its why is currently vacant and up for grabs on Saturday.

    You actually have to go back 20 years to see an example of the last Undisputed HW Champ

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undisputed_boxing_champions
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    When was Holmes 1 or 2 in a fight against a man ranked 1 or 2?
     
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  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Vitali hadn't retired when Rahman won the "interim" WBC belt. That's why it was an "interim" belt.

    That's what I was referring to.

    And you can go back as far as you like. Even the information in the link you posted is wrong.

    Lennox Lewis never held a WBO belt.
    Mike Tyson never held the WBO belt, which Damiani held when Tyson was champ.
    Douglas and Holyfield never held the WBO belts, Mercer took it from Damiani.

    But they were all the WORLD heavyweight champion.

    Just like the winner Saturday will be the WORLD heavyweight Champion.
     
    Dubblechin, Feb 21, 2020
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  15. HitmanMG

    HitmanMG New Member Full Member

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    Great post. I agree with you. Excited to have a Ring champion again at HW. I don’t like that Wilder said he didn’t care about it. I think it is the most prestigious of all belts. But that’s just my opinion.
     
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