The arguments can stop ... a new RING Heavyweight Championship Lineage Begins February 22

It's not the fight for lineal or world champion, well it is for lineal and WBC belt, but mostly it's the fight to determine who gets the real big fight Vs Joshua!! The real big fight happens then!!

 

Essentially the number 2 and 3 guys fighting it out to have a chance to face the real HW champ and cash cow of the division!!

 

Anyone know when was the last time Ring sanctioned a 1 vs 3?

 

OK, I respect your views and all but you've misread some of what I wrote and other things you've mentioned are total tosh.

1) Fury's victory against Wlad is rapidly aging (it being back in 2015), not Wlad himself. So all your points about AJ subsequently make no sense or at least, aren't counter-point to anything I said.
2)It's a straw man to suggest that I compared ATGs to active fighters. The comparison stands because we don't simply take an undefeated record as the be-all-and-end-all when rating fighters. Whether a fighter is active or not has no bearing on this, as being undefeated is simply ONE criteria for ranking fighters, not a flawless calculation of their prowess as a fighter.
3)Whyte does actually have a better resume than Wilder and IMO Fury. I mean, for you to actually entertain that Wilder has the superior record leads me to think you haven't actually been paying attention to HW boxing for the last 5 years.
4) An Ortiz win means very, VERY little. Ortiz has achieved the square root of jack in the HW division and will never do anything. Proof of being a top 3 HW???? Nah.

All in all, I hope you can see that you are being really biased towards Wilder and Fury. I consider them off to the side of the real HW division. If and when either or both face off against Parker, Whyte and AJ, then I will be able to judge them. FFS, it's not like they haven't had the chance, they're in their 30s. Wilder should have a much, much better record than he has for the time he has been champion. The WBC have protected him and spun his achievements so well it's fooled you and many others into thinking Wilder is far greater than he is.

 

It is so weird to watch the mental gymnastics some use to discredit the historical significance of this fight. This is a great thing for boxing fans, but per usual we can’t even take something good happening for us.

 

No the winner will not be the heavyweight champion, Joshua even by ring magazines own ratings has beat more top ten heavyweight, 4 of them actually, to Wilder 1, and Tyson Fury’s big fat 0(officially).

How Ring magazine can have Wilder and Fury ranked above Joshua is beyond me.

Fury vs Wilder 2 is a boring fight, we have already seen the result before.

Anyone who says this fight is for the official heavyweight champion is a complete joke, I won’t even be watching this fight, that is how much attention this fight deserves.

 

I respect your views, but It's total tosh. Nice.

Fury's victory over Wlad while and older and inactive Wlad is also Joshua's best win does indeed counter your argument that Joshua is head and shoulders above the rest of the division. If Wlad in 2015 wasn't Wladimir himself, than what was the one in 2017? The corpse of Wladimir? Fury ending Wlad's 22 fight winning streak still to this day is the best single win in the HW division.

Actually, you're the one who made the strawman argument by saying "if you rank Wilder or Fury ahead of Joshua, you also have to rank Maricano over Ali." That's strawman. Because longevity, number of fellow ATGs you beat trump the undefeated record when you compare ATGs. That holds no comparison to the current HW scene. Joshua doesn't have longevity, but Wilder does. He has 1 win over an ATG, but that ATG was coming off of a loss to Fury. That's why It was ridicuolus of you to brought up Ali or Marciano.

Whyte has a better single win agaist Parker, a very lucky win just like Wilder's draw against Fury. And then what? Chisora who Fury toyed with years ago, who he probably should've lost to in their first fight? Let's say that's a Stiverne level win. And then, Browne who was coming off of a doping suspension and went on to get stopped by Dave Allen? Helenius, who got KOd by Wilder victim Duhaupas before? Oscar Rivas whose only win over a top50 HW is a comback from behind stoppage in the 12th round over Jennings who was destroyed by Ortiz years ago, when he was younger, fresher and a legit top10 HW? Which one of these put Whyte's resume ahead of Fury or Wilder exactly?

Around 2016, 2017, I personally considered Ortiz a borderline top5 HW, and he was rated as such(check it out yourself here: https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings ) In fact, round the time he fought Wilder, I would've favoured him over Whyte, yeah, I said it. Even now, at Ortiz' advanced age, I'd say he'd be 50/50 with Whyte.

I have no feelings towards Wilder, Joshua or Fury. But to say that "Wilder and Fury are off the side of the HW division" shows that you do. Wilder and Fury are putting their 0s against each other for the second time, guys like Parker or Whyte would be a step down in opposition for both of them.

 

Ring magazine is a corpse of what it once was, their is an unusual push to market this fight. In reality Fury won the first fight rather handily, if not for the 12th round knockdown the fight was both boring and pretty one sided.
Fury has the best win over Wlad (I can’t believe it was 5 years ago already!) and a win in all but official records over Wilder. He should be the top heavyweight. Or at least he has an argument with Joshua for it.
Wilder’s resume just is not on the level - Fury and Joshua both edged him there rather easily. Plus career top contender Povetkin edges him too. The fact he was basically handed the wbc belt rather dubiously - fighting 0 ranked opponents to receive a title eliminator against Malik SCOTT who then laid down from a phantom punch speaks volumes of Wilder’s career. It’s basically a marketing creation. To sell Americans a new champion with devastating power. It’s been a rough sell. Wilder was lined up with several soft touches to impress but failed time and time again. Fury after a long lay-off was supposed to be another. But he didn’t follow the script. I’m not sure Fury can improve on his last performance but at same time I’m not sure Wilder can - I’ve seen him too many times to be fooled again. I’m glad the fight is generating interest but annoyed casuals think Wilder is some sort of great heavy. He is not.

 

Until the winner of this fight between Luke Tyson Fury and Leshun Deontay Wilder fights Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua then they all remain great pretenders.