The Art of Crossing Your Feet: Lessons from Billy Conn

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  1. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We all know what happened in the first Louis vs Conn fight. Conn brought out his inner Ali before Ali was even born, and along with a mix of brilliantly sharp and precise in-fighting, the former Middleweight went ahead and gave Louis all he could handle. Or at least, that's what the story says. The story is only half true.

    Ali and Conn may look similar on the surface. Both were on their toes, both were often squared in order to utilise latteral movement, and both of them broke some rules, especially in regards to the crossing of the feet. Here's what you haven't been told, though. Despite the similiarities, in terms of functionality and execution, Conn utilised this movement in a manner far more akin to how Willie Pep used his footwork, than in a manner akin to how Muhammad Ali did. Pep was the best when it came to suddenly changing and shifting direction when moving, and it's not all that close either. Along with his small size, Pep primarily liked to switch to southpaw when moving in order to open up the potential trajectory of his movement. Just look at 2:20-2:23 and 6:06-6:12 and dare to lie to my face by telling me you're not impressed.
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    So how does the obviously much larger Conn, who is clearly much more aquared up than bladed, get a similar result as the guy with arguably the best footwork ever, who also happens to be a much smaller Featherweight, especially when doing something as sinful to the rulebook of Boxing as crossing his feet ?
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    Look at 1:50. Conn crosses his feet, but look at that small movement he does. His left foot ends up being where it should have been after the crossing of the feet regardless, but the rear foot has gone to the right of where it was when the legs were initially crossed. If you know the importance of half steps, you know how crazy that is. Conn just half stepped while utilising lateral movment. When was the last time someone did this ? Seriously. And the result ? Louis misses a jab that would have otherwise landed if Conn continued his trajectory before that little shuffle.

    At 6:18 he beautifuly disquises his intent. Crosses his feet to disquise the fact that his right foot would otherwise be in position to attack had his stance not been so weird and narrow, and then he simply has to step forward and to the left to create full leverage for the right hand. He does something similar soon after at 6:25 with a left hook. He even tries something like that for a third time (rule of 3, anyone ?) later at 6:35 but decides to half step and feint with his lead hand instead, and Louis fails to land miserably. Though props to Louis for reading it at 7:50 and countering with a left hook.

    So the next time some arrogant and incompetent excuse of a Tijuana brawler tries to tell you that breaking the textbook rules and crossing your feet is for dummies, remind him that the rulebook says more about his favourite fighters' limitations than that of the greats.
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The short answer is that if you got the quicks and balance you can get away with some things, especially against guys who are content to follow you for the moment, and guys without the most dynamic footwork themselves.
     
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  3. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Wake up baby, Tzortzakis dropped another post
     
  4. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  5. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    He does a lot of things when he is out of range. Also, Conn was another guy that learned on the job. No amateur fights, turned pro at 18, several losses early, and a lot of very tough competition thereafter.
    Great thread idea.
     
  6. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks man. And yeah, having guys like Corbett III, Zivic, Yarosz and Apostoli as your teachers, you're bound to get ahead of the curve compared to most people who learn their trade from extended amateur careers against children/teenagers and people who haven't experienced the pro game. It's the ideal way. I'd rather take today's amateur career approach rather than the fight twice a year approach modern pros take though, it's way too infrequent.

    If you've got anything you want to share about Conn, I'd absolutely love to see it.
     
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  7. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Speaking of Tijuana brawlers and crossing your feet, check out Julio Cesar Martinez to see a modern (and very extreme) example of a fighter crossing their feet on purpose for offensive purposes and as bait for counters. He looks haphazard at first glance but he has purpose to his work and has a fair amount of crafty tricks up his sleeves, especially in terms of using unorthodox footwork offensively.
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  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The two places where OP points out Willie Pep crossing his feet … he doesn’t actually cross his feet. He takes a step to the right with his right foot, rather than stepping to his right with his left foot, which is crossing over.

    Crossing feet is a no-no for very fundamental reasons — you get hit with your legs cross and you fall down, even if it’s not a hard punch. Basically, you trip over your own foot/leg. And you can’t punch with your legs crossed. So you’re in bad position both defensively and offensively.

    Sure, if you’re far enough away from your opponent that he can’t reach you, you can get away with it, but it’s still wasted and inefficient motion. If that opponent presents an opening, you’re in no position to do anything about it because you have to reset your feet.

    You can find examples of fighters, especially great ones, breaking every rule in the book — throwing an uppercut from the outside, keeping chin high, hands low, bring back hand low after punching — and getting away with it if you look for them. But that doesn’t make them the right or best way to do something. Sometimes those great fighters can thumb their noses at convention because they are great: just because Ali and Roy Jr could get away with something doesn’t mean you can.

    And, mostly, they get away with it until they don’t. Tyson got away with squaring his feet until he fought Holyfield, and Evander put his front foot between Tyson’s legs so his knee was right below Mike’s balls and Tyson couldn’t do anything about it except go backward when Evander pushed — simple leverage.
     
  9. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You definitely misread it then, because I didn't say Pep crossed his feet. I said Pep was superb at changing directions on a moment's notice at any time, by switching to southpaw momentarily, and that instead of doing that to change direction, Conn got a similar result through his crossing of the feet.

    I don't necessarily agree with the last point. The rulebook is there so you don't get iced while you're still a novice and don't know the difference between Marciano and Graziano. Obviously, you can go the whole way while utilising it, but it can also just as easily limit a fighter. Great fighters didn't break the rules just because they've got athletic gifts and are too lazy to learn how to Box ''the proper way". They simply found a way that makes them fight better through that rule break, because it can potentially expand their available tools, or because they can form a strategy around it. Most of them were smart and knowledgeable enough to know when and when not to break the rules. Even someone like Duran, who is seen as almost purely textbook, can be seen crossing his feet vs Cuevas frequently, and that was at a point where he couldn't exactly be called that athletically gifted anymore. He obviously did it for a reason. Guys like Ali and Jones didn't break the rules because they were great, they became great because they learned how to break them, if you catch my drift.

    It's still important to know the basics so they can carry you along the way when your physical gifts leave you and you can't rely on those rule breaks as easily anymore, but why waste your prime years being a lesser fighter if you're better when breaking them ? Look at Jones. There's no way he just went ''Well I'm basically Superman so I can just do whatever I want'' when he started finalising his style. He did an interview with Andre Ward recently where he actually explains his lack of jab. It wasn't because he could get away with it simply because he was an athletic freak that could throw power punches instead of jabs, it was a part of his strategy, and this strategy was one of the many reasons that he became great. It's from around 10:45-11:25.
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  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 LONG LIVE WASHINGTON Full Member

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    To me if you’re hitting the other guy and he’s not hitting you it’s boxing, it’s fine it works, I wouldn’t emulate things outside the book but Conn where he may have made “mistakes” was smart and aware of the when and why… have you ever watched Manuel Medina? He fought like an originator, it probably only makes sense in his head - mentioning Pep here is interesting too, Pep was known in his time for his wasted movement, Louis was complimentary to Conn’s footwork however and referred to Ali’s as “stumbling about” @greynotsoold won’t you give us a little more? I’m sure we could all learn a lot if you had a look at Conns feet.
     
  11. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I actually haven't, I'm very on the dark when it comes to 90's Featherweights, period. And yeah I agree, if it consistently works for you, who the **** am I to tell you you're doing it wrong ? If Pep had the stamina to bounce around for 15 rounds, why even care about the fact that it's wasted movement when it helps his creation of angles and offensive/defensive opportunities ?

    As for Louis' comments, I'm not sure. Conn also definitely wasted movement, but it was clearly still all purposeful when it came down to intent. Ali had times where he did actually seem to be dancing on his toes just for the sake of dancing on his toes, though he himself was purposeful for the most part. It was also trendy to **** on Ali during the 60's, so I guess that might have been part of it as well.
     
  12. Journeyman92

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    To me it is always a “waste” when you make your opponent reach, miss etc and you are out of range to punch back… it’s hard to dance that line “stumbling about” and was Ali’s Achilles heel against Norton. Watch Louis vs Walcott 2 play from 14:40 - Walcott slips outside Louis’s jab to come back with a right hand and have a look what Louis does with his right foot, you only need to move your feet 3 inches to be evasive and you can still punch from there.
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  13. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I like the philosophy behind it, but I don't think it's that black and white. When you perform a defensive maneuver that isn't merely moving your feet to get out of range (aka slipping, ducking, weaving etc), most times you'll find that your opponents are hard wired to expect a counter shot and react accordingly. You could miss a lot of opportunities to play with patterns, to break expectations and mess with your opponent's head if you religiously subscribe to this rule. Obviously, the best shots you're gonna land are counters through such movements, but variety is always key, so I think it's wiser to mix it up. Look at Jones here for example from 26:19-26:23
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    You can see him play with the rule of 3 here. 3 seperate times he jabs head and body, so Thornton thinks the 4th time is also gonna the same, until feints him and gets him with the left hook instead. I did something kinda similar in sparring once. Unlike Thornton, who got too preoccupied with Jones' work to throw, and unlike Jones' decision to jab head and body, I merely entered his range and stepped back when he threw the jab, and this happened 3 times as well (rule of 3), so he started thinking I didn't want to engage with him, so the 4th time he enters with a really big and strong step and I catch him flash with a left hook to the face that definitely took away some of his morale.

    It's just too much of a shame to miss opportunities like these.
     
  14. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Bro gave him the Robinson special
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  15. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Something like that :lol:

    Definitely didn't put that much malice into it though :lol:
     
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