The bantam weights and my top 10 list

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have always loved the lighter weights (Bantam through SFW are likely my favorites), but it always seems we debate and discuss the HW division. So I figured even if no one else joins me I am going to pay tribute to the bantam weight division:

    My top 10 list
    1. Panama Al Brown
    2. Eder Jofre
    3. Manuel Ortiz
    4. George Dixon
    5. Ruben Olivares
    6. Terry McGovern
    7. Fighting Harada
    8. "Joltin" Jeff Chandler
    9. Carlos Zarate
    10. Pete Herman

    My favorite bantams
    1. Jeff Chandler
    2. Happy Lora
    3 Jeff Fenech
    4 Lionel Rose
    5 Olivares
    6 Zarate
    7 Davila
    8 Ortiz
    9 Pintor
    10 Rafa
    Just missing out Orlando & Gabby

    Some of my favorite Bantamweight fights both live and televised:

    1 Joltin' Jeff Chandler vs Baby kid Chocolate (live in Upper Darby)
    2 Chandler vs The Dancing Machine Johnny Carter (Live in Philly)
    3 Chandler vs Gabby Canizales (Live in AC NJ)
    I saw just about half of Chandler's fights live, but these 3 stick out.

    Ayala vs Tapia I
    Rafa vs Austin
    Jofre vs Medal I
    Harada vs Jofre II
    Rose vs Harada
    Olivares vs castillio
    Zarate vs Zamora
    Zarate vs Davila
    Pintor vs Davila
    Duarte vs Davila
    Lora vs Davila
    Lora vs Zaragoza
    Fenech vs zaragoza
    Lora vs vazquez
    Gabby Canizales vs Lora (one of my favorite short fights)
    Fenech vs McCrory
    Canizales vs seabrooks I

    How about anyone else....Who are the greatest bantams??? Who are your favorites? What are the greatest fights? Links to fights? lesser known bantam wars?

    Edit: my list has since changed lol
     
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  2. MrBumboclart

    MrBumboclart Active Member Full Member

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    Eder should be #1. Can't see why he shouldn't be.
     
  3. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    My Top 10

    1-Eder Jofre
    2-Panama Al Brown
    3-Manuel Ortiz
    4-Ruben Olivares
    5-Carlos Zarate
    6-Fighting Harada
    7-Lionel Rose

    Now it´s too close, NO ORDER:

    Jeff Chandler
    Orlando Canizales
    Miguel Lora

    *I don´t rate guys like McGovern, Pete Herman and some others because I don´t know enough about them.....my knowledge is not great on them.
    I give a big value to dominance. My Top 3 is based on that, H2H skills and resume too(obviously). Jofre, Brown and Ortiz are the guys who better combined all these things...Jofre and Brown the best H2H forces at the weight in my view...

    I rate Rose very high because IMHO his resume is just impressive, he has great wins enough to rate him that high despite never have been a dominant champion or something.....same with Harada. Both extremely great in a H2H comparions with anyone too....

    My Favorite BWs:

    1-Eder Jofre
    2-Panama Al Brown
    3-Lionel Rose
    4-Bernardo Caraballo
    5-Hozumi Hasegawa
    6-Jeff Chandler
    7-Rafael Marquez
    8-Alan Rudkin
    9-Fighting Harada
    10-Rafael Herrera
     
  4. PhillyPhan69

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    2 years ago ESB classic (Rumsfeld) did a collective ranking of the original 8 weight classes...Here is how the classic forum tallied this division...Jofre got 14 out of 23 first place votes and ended up there by consensus as well, so it would seem that your viewpoint is certainly the majority one....I didn't feel that 2 was too harsh of a placement either way>

    OFFICIAL LIST

    1. 470 Eder Jofre (14)
    2. 301 Ruben Olivares (4)
    3. 256 Manuel Ortiz (1)
    4. 186 Panama Al Brown (2)
    5. 183 Terry McGovern (1)
    6. 165 Carlos Zarate
    7. 135 George Dixon (1)
    8. 77 Fighting Harada
    9. 64 Pete Herman
    10. 15 Bud Taylor
    11. 14 Orlando Canizales
    12. 12 Lionel Rose
    13. 11 Rafael Herrera
    14. 10 Kid Williams
    15. 9 [tie] Chucho Castillo
    15. 9 [tie] Jeff Chandler
    15. 9 [tie] Joe Lynch
    18. 8 Rafael Marquez
    19. 4 [tie] Lupe Pinter
    19. 4 [tie] Rodolfo Martinez
    19. 4 [tie] Sixto Escobar
    22. 3 Jose Medel
    23. 2 [tie] Miguel Lora
    23. 2 [tie] Memphis Pal Moore
    25. 1 [tie] Hozumi Hasegawa
    25. 1 [tie] Jose Becerra

    Link to the discussion:
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205064
     
  5. kikibalt

    kikibalt Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My top 3. And I seen all 3 fight live

    #1 Manuel Ortiz

    #2 Eder Jofre

    # 4 Ruben Olivares
     
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  7. LittleRed

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    I love how in every damn picture of Eder Jofre the hand he is not punching with is glued to his face textbook perfect
     
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  8. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Educated list for sure; interesting to see such an obvious favorite like Zarate so far down the list. For most, it seems he's top three easy. Some even have him #1.....
     
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  9. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL having fun Full Member

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    Very true....and it is in almost every picture literally.....
     
  10. PhillyPhan69

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xLilFNcXIM[/ame]
     
  11. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL having fun Full Member

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    Just a clip of Jofre vs Caldwell....
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW-_Nfkb7NM[/ame]
     
  12. PhillyPhan69

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHMxwu1MeZw[/ame]
     
  13. Flea Man

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    No way is Chandler top ten.
     
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  14. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It seems that most would agree with you! I most commonly see him in the top 20 range, and generally in the 13-15 range. I try not to let my biases affect my rankings both positive and negative...like most I am sure that I am not totally immune to that happening. At his best I like jeff's chances against just about any bantam H2H (perhaps that Philly bias again???). I wish that the Pintor fight had come off...If Jeff had won that the argument for top 10 would likely not draw such criticism???

    oh well to each their own.
     
  15. Bollox

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    Zamora v Eusabio Pedroza. Posted it a couple of weeks ago but wtf, it's a great KO so worth another posting

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrlGdRCttjk[/ame]