The Battle Of The Juicers: Ortiz v Povetkin..who ya got?

Lol! Ortiz got caught with Nandrolone. That's like get your cattle to gain 200lbs, Ben Johnson woulda ran 9.68, Ronnie Coleman has it with his eggs type stuff. Same stuff James Toney was caught with.

Povetkin wasn't accused of taking hardcore stuff like that!

 

Statement from Povetkins promoter:

“Double standards, no doubt about it. Here’s an example – the investigation over Povetkin and meldonium lasted for nearly six months. It took only several days to settle down Stiverne’s case. “The key question is why are we getting positive test results? They all repeatedly prove negative in all other laboratories, including the US lab, except for one random sample that we get immediately prior to the fight. Don’t want to jump to conclusions; just want to say it’s a strange coincidence." Ryabinsky said that Povetkin has been passing doping tests consistently throughout the year, both before and after fights. “To assert that he has ingested something [prohibited] is simply impossible. Theoretically, I can assume that this substance turned up in his test accidentally. This happens sometimes. At least Stiverne, when he was cleared and allowed to fight, used this phrasing, saying that the [prohibited] substance turned up in his system accidentally,” he said. Ryabinsky pointed out that, although Povetkin had provided the sample last Tuesday, VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) chose to notify the fighters of the allegedly failed test only at the last minute, on Saturday. “This is not normal practice, it’s very strange,” Ryabinsky said. “It’s the second time that right before the fight, all of a sudden, we get a ‘dirty’ test result – one and only, with all others coming clean. This happened before the fight with Wilder, when there had been five tests, and the fourth allegedly turned out to be dirty, while the fifth came out clean again. In the long run, Povetkin was acquitted, but the bout with Wilder was cancelled. Looks like history is repeating itself with Stiverne right now."

 

so many un educated fans here, ortiz is the only heavyweight as far as i know who's on all year vada testing which means he probably the cleanest heavyweight in the game,

what other current heavyweight is on all year testing?

 

That's all Ryabinski has, conspiracy theories. A billionaire but doesn't understand this is the second time, no benefit of the doubt is to be given. His boy obviously on peds. Somebody should list all the heavyweights doing year round testing. Add in Tarver (who's 48 old and peds keep old fighters relevant) and Browne into that list. Rank them from 1 to 4 and have a final four for the PED belt.

 

Ortiz is very dangerous but he doesn't fight all that well on the inside and doesn't have the legs to dance around Povetkin, so I'd lean towards Povetkin.

 

Povetkin all day long. Ortiz is older then B-Hop FFS! 37? Yeah, right... lol

http://178.32.177.128/thumb/7/73/Ortiz2.jpg/300px-Ortiz2.jpg

 

Add Hughie and Tyson Fury to this tourney, I knew I missed a couple. Who else should join this PED tourney?

 

you can't even put uneducated in the same proper sentence you are that thick.

Ortiz has been caught and banned for using steroids, he's about 50 years old, slow, and probably packing Cuban glass. Povetkin would definitely destroy him.

 

But he's failed a drugs test, right? I mean, have I got that wrong? You can't call a boxer with a failed test to his name 'probably the cleanest heavyweight in the game'. Clearly, there are others on PEDs who have not been caught but Ortiz has. By definition he cannot be the cleanest....

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...d-positive-steroid-wake-winning-interim-title

 

Haye and Ustinov didn't want any part of VADA testing too. So they might fit in as well.

 

Don't need any effective testing? Then let them duke it out I say.

 

Ortiz is paying them money year round? I'm sure VADA has all the motivation in the world to issue a positive test to one of their best customers.

That's my biggest problem- the way this model is set up, a guy tests positive, and the WBC gives a slap on the wrist as long as that boxer then pays for annual testing to the WBC and VADA.

Think about that for a minute, and you'll see the danger here. There's a financial incentive to issue false positives on the fighters who aren't enrolled, and a big financial incentive to issue negative tests on those already enrolled. And, this being boxing, if there's an easy buck to be had, you're right far more often than not to assume someone's going to take it.

There's an inherent conflict of interest with these labs, who are so inept they can't catch guys honestly in a sport loaded with juicers.

 

by definition Ortiz is at current the cleanest heavyweight in the sport, is tested all year round with vada no other heavyweight is doing this! means it's impossible for him to be on anything

 

OK I take your point, the fail is in the past, but the asterix remains against his name, like any athlete who got caught. And being tested does not mean it's impossible he's doping, although I agree, less likely. The US sprinter Marion Jones never failed a test in her whole career but was exposed as a habitual doper in the BALKO drugs scandal after she retired and she spent time in prison for her offenses. She took hundreds of tests and never failed one. She was on PEDs all that time. The point being, we can never be sure about anyone and passing tests is no proof anyone - not just Ortiz - is clean.