The BBC announces it's top ten p4p rankings......what do you reckon?

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  1. clyde

    clyde Boxing Addict Full Member

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    BBC pound-for-pound world rankings



    Staff at the BBC Sport website have banged their heads together and compiled a list of the world's top-10 boxers, pound-for-pound.
    Taking weight out of the equation, this subjective list factors in fighters' recent results, as well as their style, resilience and punching power.
    The list will be updated periodically and should be treated as a talking point. Let the debate begin!


    POUND-FOR-POUND TOP 10
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    1. Floyd Mayweather
    - Welterweight
    United States (41-0, 25KOs)
    So masterful was Mayweather against Shane Mosley, we felt compelled to put him back on top of our list. Next up Pacquiao? For the sake of boxing, let's hope so.
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    2. Manny Pacquiao
    - Welterweight
    Philippines (51-3-2, 38KOs)
    Pacquiao outclassed Joshua Clottey in Dallas, and now everything's crossed that a fight with Floyd Mayweather will finally happen later this year.
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    3. Juan Manuel Marquez
    - Lightweight
    Mexico (50-5-1, 37KOs)
    Marquez was destroyed by Mayweather in September, but size was clearly a factor. Defends his WBO lightweight crown against Juan Diaz in July.
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    4. Bernard Hopkins
    - Light-heavyweight
    United States (51-5-1, 32KOs)
    Hopkins is still churning out wins five years shy of his 50th birthday, but if his revenge win over Roy Jones told us anything, his time may be nigh.
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    5. Shane Mosley
    - Welterweight
    United States (46-6, 39KOs)
    Mosley was beaten handily by Mayweather, losing almost every round. He's had a stellar career, and at 38, he might now decide to call it a day.
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    6. Miguel Cotto
    - Welterweight
    Puerto Rico (35-2, 28KOs)
    Demolished by Pacquiao last year but got back to winning ways with a defeat of Yuri Foreman in May. Is now after a rematch with Pacquiao.
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    7. Chad Dawson
    - Light-heavyweight
    United States (29-0, 17KOs)
    Dawson beat former world champions Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson in 2009, and WBC champion Jean Pascal is up next in August.
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    8. Paul Williams
    - Middleweight
    United States (39-1, 27KOs)
    Williams beat Kermit Cintron in bizarre fashion when Cintron fell through the ropes, and he is now touting himself for a match with Pacquiao.
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    9. Juan Manuel Lopez
    - Featherweight
    Puerto Rico (29-0, 26KOs)
    The unbeaten former super-bantamweight world champion stepped up to claim the WBO title in January and his next engagement is against Rafael Marquez in September.
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    10. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
    - Flyweight
    Thailand (75-3-1, 39KOs)
    Aged 32, Wonjongkam has already engaged in 79 fights and recently regained the WBC crown he lost in shocking fashion to Daisuke Naito in 2007.
     
  2. PH|LLA

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  3. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    ****ing Hopkins in the p4p list. Never ceases to amaze me
     
  4. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Bollocks. I don't even need to point out why...
     
  5. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    **** list!

    Bernard Hopkins still pound for pound fighter?

    The list is more of a name recall list than anything else, which is not unusual because BBC actually don't know boxing except for Hatton, Haye.

    Dawson? Lopez? For what? Potential?
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Care to explain how ANYONE else below the top2 has a better case of being ranked?

    Hopkins' last 6 fights: P4P-er Tarver, schooling, P4P#2 Winky, points win, P4P#2 Calzaghe, close loss, P4P#5 Pavlik, schooling plus Ornelas and Jones, wide decisions. Never ceases to amaze me why Hopkins off all fighters stands out for some people. Did you look at the other fighters resume?
     
  7. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nor particularly fond of this list.
     
  8. Godfather

    Godfather I put the G in God Full Member

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    I haven't attempted a p4p list in a long time. It seems that after the top 3 the rest could be loads of people. In fact, I'll give it a go:

    1 Pacquiao
    2 Mayweather
    3 Marquez
    4 Wlad
    5 Martinez
    6 Williams
    7 Cotto
    8 Montiel
    9 Mosley
    10 JM Lopez

    Its impossible to get a good list. I'm not happy with this one, but I don't think I would be able to create one I would be happy with
     
  9. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    Pretty bad but I expected it to be a lot worse.

    I wouldn't have Hopkins there anymore and JuanMa wouldn't be in my top 15.

    Cotto seems high too but I'm (pleasantly) surprised Hatton, Khan and Haye all don't feature in the top 5.
     
  10. PH|LLA

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    1. Pac
    2. PBF
    3. JMM
    4. Ward
    5. Dawson
    6. Wlad
    7. Martinez
    8. Donaire
    9. Williams
    10. Vitali

    That's my list. I know I will get criticized for Ward being in there so high, but in time he will prove that I was right. And I stand by that even if he is upset in his next fight.
     
  11. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Lopez is 27, has almost 30 fights, is undefeated, has something like 9 successful title defenses, and has won titles in two weight classes. Dawson is 28, has around 30 fights, is undefeated, has won two world titles, and has 6 wins against top 10 rated LHWs. Both fighters are pretty accomplished, and have been around for a while.
     
  12. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    1) Everyone ranked below him actually fights people in their own weight class, instead of forcing guys to move up and meet him.

    2) Much better wins more recently - 6 fights ago for Hops is 4 years ago.

    3) The other guys below him haven't looked like **** their last two fights.

    And NFW was Pavlik rated #5 or Winky ranked #2 when Hopkins beat them. Hell, even Cazaghe was rated #3 or #4 by most when they fought, just he moved up to #2 after he beat Hops and Money "retired".

    I can maybe see an argument for including Hopkins at the back end if you only look at record on paper. But anything higher than #8 or so is silly. I wouldn't have him in my top 30. Considering how he looked against Jones and Ornelas, I'd probably pick Pascal to beat him at this point. Dude is 46, can't last forever.
     
  13. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    His last good win was against Pavlik, that was in 2008? And even then this was a Pavlik moving up two weight classes.

    Ornelas?
    Jones?

    He has been very inactive inbetween each of these bouts...plenty of boxers have a shout to be above him in the P4P top 10.
     
  14. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Dawson cleared out his weight class (other than Hopkins who has very vocally avoided him), and is finishing the job against Pascal in a month. Three wins over frings top 20 P4P guys.

    Lopez I think is a bit high still, but Luevano-Penalosa-PDL isn't a bad set of wins. There are a few unlisted guys I rate over him though (Bradley, Wlad, Martinez).

    Seems odd to me that Williams is listed but not Martinez, especially considering most people thought Martinez won their fight, and then he came right back to move up a weight class and win the middleweight championship.