Around the time of the Calzaghe Jones fight the BBC produced a list of the greatest British fighters of all time. Every one of them had been active in the past 30 years and they drew a lot of criticism for it. In response they created a list of "greatest old time British fighters". I dont know if it was in any particular order: 1. Randy Turpin 2. Ken Buchanan 3. Jimmy Wilde 4. Ted Kid Lewis 5. Daniel Mendoza 6. Benny Lynch I posted the following response: British boxing has a history that goes back to 1719. While boxing has been mainly an American dominated sport since 1882 it was a British dominated sport from 1719 to 1882 and it is in this period that we would expect to find most of the historicaly important British fighters. Between 1853 and 1882 there were ten recognised American boxing Champions but only one of them was born in America. The rest were all British and Irish fighters who had emigrated across the Atlantic due to the more liberal boxing laws in America. While it is nice to see more old time fighters reflected in your list of great British fighters you have still overlooked the two most deserving names. Jem Mace became the first recognised world champion when he defeated Tom Allen to unify the British and American titles. He also probably did more than any other fighter in history to promote the adoption of the Queensbury rules. Bob Fitzsimmons was the first fighter ever to win world titles in three weight classes becoming champion at middleweight, heavyweight and light heavyweight. He is also the only middleweight in the history of the sport to become the undisputed heavyweight champion. Although Fitzsimmons lived and trained in Australia mmost of his life he was born a Cornishman. Regards Ben
Admittedly my knowledge of Mace and his era is non-existent though I can't understand why they left Fitz out. I think your response is pretty well thought out and informative but the BBC's boxing reporting always seems to be poor. Most of the writers are just Football writers with limited boxing knowledge and they just go 'big time' on the BBC site when the likes of Hatton and Calzaghe are fighting. I'd like to hear your opinion on these post 1945 top 10 p4p lists? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/4542157.stm
Those lists aren't too bad. Jones is inexplicably high on one of them, and I personally would have Ezzard Charles above Hagler and Monzon.
IMO Marciano shouldn't be in the top 10, Jones Jr. is too high and Archie Moore should make the top 10 and I agree Charles is too low, he should be top 5
They are not bad considering they are probably a half arsed research effort by a couple of soccerball writers. I didn't see Marciano, bad inclusion obviously. He's bottom end of a top 10 heavy list nevermind an overall p4p list.
These lists are fair but have some flaws. Joe Louis was prety much done by 1945 so he should only be includeed if you consider pre 1945 acomplishments. Eder Jofre, Ezzard Charles, and Archie Moore should be on every list and probably in the top half. Leaving them out to make room for guys like Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler is totaly unjustifiable.
I dunno. Monzon is my #1 all-time middleweight, yes above Robinson and Greb. It's pretty hard to see Hagler being so high when he can't possibly be higher than #3 since '45, and 4 including Greb prior to that.