The Best 12 fighters Archie Moore faced

No there aren't, actually.

To Hellfire - I still rate Moore's record as tougher.

 

Really? Angott faced arguably the three greatest fighters of all time - Robinson, Armstrong and Pep. Then you could almost say his "second-tier" :shock: opposition was the likes of Ike Williams and Beau Jack etc.

Moore's is brilliant, but I disagree here. Each to their own.

 

His level of comp? Eddie and qawi are right up there with maxim, bivins and harold johnson. Larry Holmes is a better heavyweight win than any that archie moore has, as a matter of fact, the 85 holmes would have probably knocked archie moore out.

 

When I said level of comp I meant the bigger picture , how long they were at the weight and how many great fighters they faced at the weight. I used the word prolific , which means Ezzard Charles style of beating plenty and plenty of LHWs in a golden era. I'm agreeing in that post that Spinks would beat Moore and that Moore lost a lot you crank

 

It is the depth of Moore's that surpasses Angott's. I mean, he faced top twenty all-time heavyweights three times, top twenty five all-time light heavyweights seventeen times, as well as top twenty five all-time middleweights eleven times (I'm not double counting either; I counted Marshall at middleweight only, and Charles at light heavyweight only, for instance). Haven't mentioned any other contenders like Jack Chase (six times) either. I did once write a list...

... But if you don't like Moore's, try Sam Langford's or Maxie Rosenbloom's.

 

Marion Wilson has just about met any Heavyweight who was any Heavyweight in the last 15 years...

Although no journeyman, Emile Griffith met the who's who of 60s, 70s and indeed early 80's Welterweights and Middleweights, with very mixed results, depending on the timeframe.

Again no journeyman but look at Kid Gavilan, a fighter and met a who's who of 40s and 50s Lightweight and Welterweights.

Beau Jack name recogintion looks at least equal to Moore's; Slapsie Maxie, Loughran, Greb, Tunney...

 

Marion Wilson. Marion Wilson. I can't believe I just saw that - his best opponent was Ray Mercer! :nut

 

I am merely pointing out (as you should know) that you can end having a resume full of known fighters and still only be a journeyman, all be it a darn tough one.

Joe Grim is another excellent example of a fighter with a who's who of his era on his resume, and yet he what won six of a hundred fights?

 

I know exactly what you're pointing out, and it is invalid, since even Marion Wilson (your best exhibit put forward thus far) faced nowhere near - nowhere near - the level of opposition that Archie Moore did. What did you say to me? You are sure that a few journeymen have better names on their resume than Moore?

Never.

 

Joe Grim...

And as I pointed out Journeymen or not; Beau Jack, Emile Griffith, Tommy Loughran and Maxie Rosenbloom have resumes that compare to anyones.

 

I'm not interested in them, I'm interested in your comment about journeymen.

And Grim's doesn't cut it either, but he certainly comes closer than any other journeyman you can name.

 

Actually, Moore beat Johnson 4 times. And Bobo Olsen and Joey Maxim belong on this list. I don't see how Jack Chase outstrips them, for one.

As for the record, the fact that Moore won more than he lost against this type of opposition, particularly considering that he was well outside his prime for many of these fights, is absolutely incredible. No one would have been dominant against that level of opposition, and especially not under Moore's circumstances.

 

Well I disagree, Grim more than meets your criteria.