The best American amateur fighter?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Heavyweight Gold Medalist 1964.
     
  2. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    I did it now, it is from 2018 and there is written, Buster Matthis went on to win the gold medal...
     
  3. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    So no Super-Heavyweight (which won Foreman in 1968).
     
  4. The Funny Man 7

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    There was a thread about this about 6 months ago and I found it interesting that none of the guys listed had what appeared to be an open and shut case. Robinson, Holyfield, Breland, and Roy Jones all have a case. So does Oscar, and throw in SRL and Rocky Juarez (an Olympic silver medal and an amateur world championship, and I think a Gold from the Pans).

    How heavily do you rate an Olympic medal compared to a World Championship? What about a silver or bronze compared to a gold? Because at the top level of competition the gap surrounding the guys on the podium is so small that on any given day the guy who gets the silver or bronze could beat the gold medals (consider Amir Khan and Kindalen [sp?]).

    I guess my point is that America places a much higher premium on the professional ranks than the amateurs. As far as I'm aware, not many outstanding trainers are specifically grooming guys to rack up Golden Gloves titles and medals in international competition year after year after year. It mostly seems like the aim is to get a Golden Gloves national title, maybe do 1 Olympic team, and then its off to the paid ranks.

    So we've never had a lot of guys stick around like Lennox Lewis or Lazlo Papp and do successive Olympics'. Well, we had Rau'Shee Warren, but it doesn't count for much if you consistently lose in the opening round of the tournament.

    Since Ray Mercer was already relatively old for a guy turning pro, I've wondered what would have happened if he'd stuck around and just tried to be the greatest American amateur ever. I think he could have won another gold medal.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Look you're wrong ,can you not just admit it and accept it? Buster Mathis injured his hand and Frazier substituted for him.
    Everyone and his granny knows Frazier won the gold medal!
     
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  6. mark ant

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    I don`t think Jones was that great as an amateur, Usyk looked better against Joyce to me.
     
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    Loma was the greatest amateur of all time.
     
  8. mark ant

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    He wasn`t any good when he turned pro, old Holmes beat him, his jab was far better against Lewis, Morrison was boxing his ears off.
     
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    Whitaker won the gold medal in `84.
     
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    Loma won a silver medal at the
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  11. Flash24

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    Probably Sugar Ray Seales or Donald Curry, Seales had over 300 fights at amatuer, About 10 losses if I remember right, won Gold in 72, Curry had over 400 amateur fights, won Everthing but a gold medal if I remember right. Also Oscar Deloyhoya had over 200 amateur fights also won a gold medal. I see the Lomo is the greatest amateur nuts are out. If he fought during the 3 above eras I guarantee he wouldve had a lot more losses.
     
  12. Bulldog24

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    Mark Breland. Not even close. He looked unbeatable.

    Jones lost to McClellan and Liles in the same month a month before the Olympics.
     
  13. Bronze Tiger

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    Cmon on man. Roy Jones was a damn good amateur. He dominated at the 88 olympics. He was robbed of a gold medal and still won the Val Barker award.
     
  14. The Funny Man 7

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    He definitely lost a lot of his motivation and squandered his talent but its a little harsh to say he wasn't any good. He had some good wins: he beat a fired up Bert Cooper, kayoed another Olympian, Fransico Daimani, nearly put Morrison on a respiratory and also outpointed Tim Witherspoon when 'Spoon' was enjoying a bit of a resurrgence. Bonus points for beating Ocasio and Ferguson, albeit by narrow margins.

    Ultimately how you view Mercer's pro career is down to Glass Half Full or Glass Half Empty. Either way, his amateur accomplishment were super legit.
     
  15. Rope-a-Dope

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    Breland seemed to me at the time to be the most dominating amateur ever. Oddly enough at the Olympics he seemed a bit underwhelming. Maybe he was a bit burned out after all those amateur fights.
     

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