The best British boxer ever.

Here’s some evidence you didn’t ask for:-

Now you did say you were finished with me.

Are you going to deny that reality also and ask for multiple newspaper reports corroborating your own statement?

You also said you don’t care to read my stuff - but you’re asking for more “stuff” - you need to stop not making sense.

You orig. asked where is your evidence AFTER the evidence was provided. You were pointed to that evidence AGAIN - now you’re moving your argument to NOT accepting the facts detailed in the contemporary article - you claim you need more of the evidence you denied existed in the first place.

That Fitz intended it to be his last fight and threw his gloves is just a couple of factoids that refute your claim of Fitz trying to discard “evidence”. There are numerous other facts that have been presented that PRECLUDE doctored wraps and/or glove loading - too overwhelming for you to even address.

You claim you need more “evidence” by way of multiple newspaper reports. LOL, where are the multiple reports supporting your claims?

I asked you to quote Jeffries claim that Fitz’s wraps were tampered with - you’ve supplied NOTHING of the sort - let alone multiple newspaper reports attesting to Jeff’s allegation or the claim that Team Jeff wanted to check Fitz’s gloves after the fight but were prevented from doing so.

SO…….as you have EXACTLY framed yourself, you need next to nothing to form an outlandish, baseless opinion but require heavy documentation to be swayed from that same opinion?

You’re clowning it. As far as YOUR evidence goes - of which you have produced NOTHING, it’s time for YOU to put up (contemporary articles etc.) or shut up.

 

No I asked about valid sources, not for your propaganda stuff. As you alleged to be not biased here. But you only produced the later one here.
That about Fitzsimmons throwing the gloves to the crowd instead of doing hand-shakes, because it was supposed to be his last fight is just a fairy-tale, for what you absolutely didn't bring any valid source for.

I brought up the book of Jeffries and the reports on Boxrec. But you came up with this ridiculous excuse without anything substantial.

 

You’re still clowning it. No quotes, no links to articles - just pure hot air.

Of course I’ve backed my opinion. As expected, you’ve still produced NOTHING and ignore perfect refutations with contemporary articles to go.

It is true, with each and every post on this subject you sound more and more foolish - which is surprising - because with every last post you make it doesn’t seem possible for you to drop any more rungs down the intellectual ladder - but somehow, you continue to manage to do so. You are absolutely clueless re this era of boxing.

Like I said, time to put or shut up.

 

No it isn't as you didn't question that Jeffries accused this nor that this was reported like in his biography first. Just now when I pointed that I don't believe your fantasy-story about retirement, which was not retirement but meant as retirement. It seems you story looks rather pretty foolish and fanboy speech.
You can not ask for this now, just because I did for your very implausible allegations. If you doubt my claims, when you would have complainted and required it 4 days ago and not now!

 

YEP, YOU still managed it….dropped another rung down the I-ladder with your last post.

LOL - you clearly have no facts to back your claims.

Of course I can ask for it - utter nonsense - particularly since you have produced ZERO “evidence”. You won’t produce because you have NOTHING, just your nonsensical opinions.

Do I have to remind you AGAIN that YOU said that you were FINISHED but THEN asked for more “stuff” (so you lied, right?) after pretending the evidence originally PROVIDED didn’t exist but now you’re PRETENDING that evidence isn’t sufficient?

You’re just clowning it - no quotes, no articles - no nothing.

You’re on a well greased slippery slope.

Absolutely CLUELESS.

Do some ACTUAL research instead of pumping more uneducated hot air into the forum.

 

You are hypocrite; you know that all I have written about Jeffries (his co-writer) and his team is correct, therefore you didn't ask about any source in the first place. Although I maintained several times, it is all listed on the fight report of their second fight.

But you came up with ludcirous stories to defend him, about throwing gloves away because he retired, but didn't really retire, just hang the gloves up in his mind, imaginary. You could not bring any valid source for it, so I don't take you serious. Now you want evidences, for something you already admited that it happened, because you can't prove your groupie-propaganda and you read that Boxrec is for me since over a week not available, s9 you made this cowardly move to now demand this what never was in question, as youself maintained "only Jeffries claimed this, but no other opponent (Ruhlin, Sharkey)".
So why shall I now bring an evidence for this, when youself know that Jeffries did this? You didn't ask at begin of the discusion for such and now it is too late, as we are gone further.

 

His next reply may well be a photo of a Hippopotamus.
That is the clincher! lol

 

I produced the evidence without being asked.

That evidence proved you wrong at every level - repeat, at every level.

You LIED by ignoring that evidence. Now you’re LYING again by claiming the evidence is insufficient - the evidence being contemporary reports NO LESS.

There’s no logic suggesting that it’s too late for YOU to produce YOUR OWN EVIDENCE - no one is as stupid as the EXCUSE you’re trying to ply.

You should’ve produced the evidence of your own volition, without being asked and YOU should STILL produce it NOW but of course you can’t - because you don’t have it, therefore you’re talking out of your derrière.

You’re a hypocrite and a liar at multiple levels because you said you were FINISHED discussing this with me - yet then asked me for MORE evidence - when you haven’t even produced one shred of same.

You said Jeffries was unmarked in the first fight - I produced EVIDENCE disproving that LIE.

You said Fitz’s wraps and gloves weren’t checked - I produced EVIDENCE disproving that LIE also.

You alleged Fitz threw away his gloves because they were loaded - I produced EVIDENCE disproving that LIE also.

You claimed Jeff’s team wanted to check the gloves AFTER the fight but were prevented from doing so - the contemporary reports don’t indicate any such thing - so since you can’t produce the evidence or even provide a verbatim quote from your source to that effect - are we to guess you’re lying about that too?

You also claimed that I am operating under more than one identity - another LIE.

How about you? Have you posted here previously under another moniker? Can you even answer that simple question?

So…..what did Jeff say exactly in his book - QUOTE IT - did he also mention how he was doped in Reno?

I know who the fanboy is, LOL.

What if I simply quote Fitz’s own words in counter to Jeff’s alleged claims - whaddaya gonna say? - that Fitz is lying - hello McFly, has the penny dropped on the validity of your own source?

The contemporary reports I produced as EVIDENCE is the EVIDENCE - as opposed to your idiotic, baseless rantings and inability to produce one shred of third party proof to support your deluded beliefs.

AGAIN, put up the EVIDENCE or shut up.

PS - you’re still managing to keep slip further and further down the I-ladder. Well done you.

 

A hippo? LOL. I guess what’s more disturbing is that it wouldn’t surprise me - as much sense as he is making now - I say bring on the hippo - hell, that’s just par for the course of this particular discussion. Ha!

And don’t worry, I do remember you gave me due warning several pages back - I must be in one of my masochistic phases.

 

Well then we are two who know who are the two fanboys in this discusion (but it are not the same, as me never supported any boxer in this subject)...

So the retirement of Fitzsimmons was a secret, for anybody (in the audience and ring) and even heself possible didn't know about it, therefore he threw the gloves to the street...

The former member Mendoza showed here some evidences about the electric wrapping and proved that your alter-ego (buddy) McTono62 was lying about it. He disproved all of whos points/ fake-arguments, posted more articles than you did about this cheating, that it really happened. His sources were more newspapers than you were able to put up here.
Maybe I will later make a search and show you something, but this was already a long discusion (where I went off, after the beginning). But now is the same guy trying the same lie again (as usual), although who should know it better, since at least two years.

 

“Same old” - mindless ranting in substitution of the production of ANY actual evidence. Going back in time, you’ve got some obvious personal issues there too I see - one big hot mess.

So…like I asked, have YOU posted previously under a different moniker - as you falsely tried to project on me?

What’s up, cat got your tongue on that simple enquiry? C’mon man, focus!

 

Let's make a summary: Fitzsimmons threw the gloves out of the ring because it was his retirement/ last fight...but then he didn't do retire (because only you two guys knew about it and nobody else). That makes sense...

 

In The Ring With Bob Fitzsimmons by Adam Pollack would be a good place to start educating yourself about Fitz and then read The Fighting Blacksmith by Gilbert Odd.But you dont really want to know the truth do you ?You just want to twist and pervert it to your own weird little agenda don't you. Anyone disagreeing with you is an alt and a liar isn't that the case?
You're a sad little sausage aren't you.lol

 

No you won't not know the truth, but rather glorify your idols and make propaganda, but bashing most boxers from the European country and former Soviet Union.

An article of someone who is not from the British Commonwealth would be rather appreciated, as that could be more unbiased.

 

LOL, the shot clock for reply timed out ages ago, now you’re just dribbling….rubbish.

It’s ALL in the article previously provided - you know, the primary sources you DON’T read or choose to ignore because it doesn’t suit the fantasies of which you are ONLY prone to.

You’ve NEVER known a fighter to pledge retirement only to reverse on that position?

Boy, you really need to get out more. Does the name James J Corbett ring any bells…?

So, ALL that time to formulate a response and still NOTHING to show for yourself - because you have NOTHING.

I guess you’ve been watching more gross Hippo vids instead. Is there a dedicated forum for that type of thing? - maybe that’s more up your alley - scintillating discussions guaranteed.