The best British boxer ever.

I played Lennon in the school concert in 1964 along with the Beatle wig, jacket with velvet collar, Beatle boots, and drainpipe trousers, since you asked I was 10. stay safe buddy.

 

Nice. Same year Ali beat Liston. Did you happen to see that fight or at least be aware of it or were you perhaps too young to be tapped into boxing at that time? Of course Ali had already been to England and famously KD’d by Cooper so that would’ve boosted his local profile I guess.

 

My dad and I sat up to the early hours, and listened to the fight on a radio the size of a small chair !! thus began my life long love of the Noble Art. stay safe buddy.

 

How many of thei

The song,one of my favourites,always reminds me of King Lear.

 

Ted Lewis stands no chance whatsoever of KOing Sugar Ray Leonard. Leonard would embarrass him.

 

have you ever seen Moore of film from 1938 in Australia, or Tony Canzoneri on Film before that even...

nearly 100 year old footage, but guess what those particular films Were Done Right, Preserved Better than most the Old Footage and surprising the Fighters not only look GREAT, they look just like today... one major difference though - they done it damn near every month, or less.

Food for thought!

 

Never, Nelson is top 5 in Cruiserweight (the best Brit there, has the most title-defences and was the last 11 years undefeated), Mills is just around 50 in Light-Heavyweight .

Harrison yes and Burns likely too, Arthur maybe not.
Even Peter Kane should be higher rated than Watt.

 

Johnny Hill is in my view all time top 20 in Flyweight.
With Kane I agree, but I doubt that all of the boxers you listed are Scotish (Minter)...
Most of these are unknown and possible don't exist.

 

It is very unlikely that Fitzsimmons can have had with 2 years inactivity/ lay-off and with around 40 more success than what he had few years before, when he was close to his peak. In their first fight was Jeffries totally unmarked, but he was a sportsman and said let him use plaster of paris, as before the second fight there already rumours about it.
Nothing less it was illegal, against the rules (Queensberry).

The proof that he did it is; they threw his gloves to the crowd when the team of Jeffries wanted to check if there was something in it, just after the fight (during shake hands).

There seemd to be other opponent which suggested about this, as the rumor was previous the rematch, so it have to be grounded somewhere else. They just didn't fix it inna book and were made silent (it was hided from public) but I think it was a open secret and just new that somebody cheated this way. At least some of his Heavyweight contests have to be suspicious, if not the Middleweight days or the fight in Light-Heavyweight.

 

This begs the question have you ever seen Nelson fight?

 

Probably more often than you; I followed him since the Thompson domination. Though I haven't watched the draw vs. De Leon in 1988 (but that vs. Jones), but have some of the fights watched from 1998 onwards (against May in Germany even live).

He was very slick and smooth; his style was compared with Vitaly Klitschko, as he used a similar defence (no double-guard) relaying on his reflexes. He was more skillful than Haye, especially defensive and had a better stamina (possible also chin).

 

Very much doubt you have see him more than me.I first saw Johnny live when he fought Andy Gerrard in Stoke on Trent in 1988 and followed him ever since.He made a good career for himself after a very poor start and had many admirable qualities but to place him any where near the very best british fighters is absurd.Who exactly are the great names on his record?

 

He was very constant and had a pretty good technique; was 8 years world champion and I think next to Gomez the best, a little bit better than Mormeck and Schirow.
He totally outclassed the high rated Carl Thompson (who stopped Haye when he was 40) and has more decent names in his record than David Haye: like Dominquez, who is all time top 10 in Cruiserweight himself (has a similar achievement as Usyk and Tiozzo there).

I don't have him in the top 5, but like 7 to 9, as Eubanks and Honeyghan, appears very reasonable for me.

 

Not enough wins against quality opposition to be any where near the top 10.Oh and btw dont mention any of his victories in the same sentence as Lloyd`s v Curry

 

He won even at the end of his career against the very power European champion Cantadore, before were other contenders as Illin, Bruce, possible even former IBF champion Mayfield and three time European champion Gurov. I think Petkovic was also undefeated, although that fight was close.
What is impressive is that he kept undefeated for about the last twenty fights of his career.
Eubanks or Froch also didn't fight permanent world class boxers, like the defence vs. Yussef Mack, who was before stopped by Andrade among others. Even Calzaghe has just a couple of elite wins, mainly around the end of his career, but defended before vs. Ashira (got knocked out by Masoe in 2 rounds before), Mkertchian and Pudwill among others.