The best example of range-control in boxing? Video. Lopez KO2 Lin

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  1. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yes. At Flyweight? Yes.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yup.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    When did I say he lacked the pedigree? I said he lacked the resume to match his contemporaries, such as Jones who he's being compared to.

    When did I say his style wouldn't have lead him to anything? I said he could've fought the two best fighters(Carbajal and Gonzalez) but didn't. I'd favor him over both.

    Please answer both.
     
  4. salsanchezfan

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    .............I guess my point is, how can you say he lacks the resume? Can you say that the fighters he was beating weren't in the class of Jones' opponents? One can guess, but........
     
  5. chesh

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    Brilliant fighter. Undefeated as a professional and amateur. Every boxer and boxing fan should study him. He should have been recognised as P4P number 1 when he was fighting, as I really think he was. Thanks for posting the video.
     
  6. Sweet Pea

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    Napoles, Pep. At least as good.

    Lopez's lack of anything but set combinations is probably his un-doing in comparison to a guy like Sanchez, who could stand in the pocket, roll in and out of punches counteringwith heavy shots. He was reliant on keeping his pace and distance, as you yourself said. Someone like Chang wouldn't have allowed that, and he's not beating a Mark Johnson at Flyweight when he's getting beaten to the punch.

    :blood

    Floyd, Ali, maybe a few others on that level, but his was very good.


    It's the truth, sorry.

    Jones was done by that time from the Tarver fight. C'mon now. He had nothing to offer that he used to be able to. And really, aside from maybe Alvarez, Johnson was better than anyone Lopez faced.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    He was in a much weaker class, that can't be disputed, but even around his class he was in the eyesight and fighting distance of guys like Gonzalez, Carbajal, Johnson, etc and opted to stay at 105 fighting inferior opposition until stepping up and struggling with Alvarez.

    Again, Jones missed a lot of opponents as well, but while he missed them, he had proved himself already against elite opposition, while Lopez hadn't.
     
  8. the cobra

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    All true, but I've never seen anyone put it all together so perfectly as Lopez. I have yet to see anything even remotely similar to a flaw (part of which could be due to the opposition, yes), I can not say the same for any fighter (although it's tough to find one on a prime 135lbs Duran).
     
  9. cfizzl3

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    Excellent. Sweat Pea.. I think here's the idea... If you watch the Alvarez fights... he was in a tougher spot and rose to the occasion.

    While I agree his resume lacks abit of polish(to be fair and honest)... I will say that his opponents did not allow him to showcase all of his abundant skill most assuredly.

    For example, who did Mayweather look better against Demarcus Corley or Ricky Hatton?

    Mhm. Point made I think. While those you mentioned have a better shot/would give a very stern test... based on what I have seen I would say he would beat them in terms of skill, power, fluidity and overall ability.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Agreed. But the absolute best in history were only as good. He is underated in this department. You seem to have conceeded that here.

    In the same way that we say "puncher's chance" we can say, with this guy, "technian's chance", but this actually means something...a threat ANYTIME he gets set, Lopez should be conisderd by far the more live threat than say, Foreman is in his division - the difference, of course, being that George proved it.

    If you are suggesting it is easier to be in the pocket with Lopez than Sanchez I disagree in the strongest possible terms. It may be more difficult to get there if you are Lopez, but once you make it he will take you down to ****ing Chinatown in a bus with spikes on the wheels and ****ing Wolfman taking the tickets.

    Getting beaten and never making are different things. See Louis agianst Conn for the very best example.

    Uh...hi.

    I think he was best, along with Muhammad. Given that it was his second best punch - next to the lead left uppercut - perhaps you have overplayed Lopez as the pure technician.


    I'm to drunk to remember what you said.
     
  11. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    I just ****ing LOVE how he pops out his jab out there even when he clearly knows he is out of range, but it puts it there and it CREATES a buffer between him and his opponent, It ALSO gives him time in case his opponent wants to come in just after he throws that (far away jab) he can RE THROW the jab and catch him as he still will be in perfect distance to land it flush. That is a beautiful style indeed!.
     
  12. LeonardLeroy

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    at 5'5, 105, he would have been 6'0 welterweight or something...

    He's my favorite boxer.
     
  13. McGrain

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    :good
     
  14. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My problem with Lopez is his hapless opposition.It's often easy to look poised and perfect when you have an unskilled non-world class foe in front of you.

    Preecha was a terrible fighter, as were most of the men he took on in a barren division.Most of them made the relatively weak opp of Gushiken, watanabe etc look like a murderers row.


    Don't get me wrong though, Lopez was clearly an excellent fighter and beat his opposition as well as he could have, but there's no doubt he would not have looked so impeccable in a tougher division.

    Watch him against one of the first good fighters he ever fought in Rosendo Alverez, also one of the only men he fought who was bigger and stronger than him and a different picture emerges; even allowing for Lopez being past his prime by then.
     
  15. McGrain

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    I like you.