The best example of range-control in boxing? Video. Lopez KO2 Lin

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Get Airborne, Sal. It ain't right if it ain't Airborne, ya know. Don't be a crap hat.

I'm off to shoot some eyetalians in the head in Medal Of Honor Airborne. Why you ask? Because I'm ****ing awesome, that's why. Para Reg!


PS: Sal is awesome, he owns haters.

pps: my knuckles hurt, I thinl i punched the wall, I can't remember if I did or not though. Keep up the good work.


PPS: Airborne!

 

Jones's fall was spectacular in that he wasn't even close to the fighter he was in his prime in his later days. A guy like Lopez was just less athletic and capable physically, though stylistically he was still as good.

Point being, comparing prime Jones to a past prime Jones isn't quite the same as Lopez and past prime Lopez.

 

It was common knowledge that his division was weak as hell to anyone following the lower weights at the time.Biased mexicans aside.

This wasn't the sixties or seventies Fly weights, the eighties super-flys or junior flys etc. where there were a good number of quality fighters around that have stood the test of time.

There was no one other than Lopez that was notable, even the more highly rated men like Vorapin and Sorjaturong were poor splinter champs who i have seen a good deal of.

Sorjaturong for instance had almost nothing other than heart and a real good right-hand.

A guy like Jones gets criticised due to fighting average fighters for years, but really he was facing far tougher men than Lopez, who has benefited greatly from his relative obscurity in regards to avoiding criticism.

The thing you can't deny in ricardo's case howver, is that he neevr looked poor against mediocre fighters, nor could he really have excelled any more against them than he did.

Put in again against better fighters and he might prove to be slightly less than truly great, but it could also easily go the other way, with him rising to the challenge.

It's an interesting debate anyway.:good

 

Against the greats of all-time who were naturally bigger, Lopez would have problems, very likely lose to some. I agree with McGrain in saying the fight with Alvarez is a point to make when supporting Lopez' greatness and not as a detracting detail. He was past his best, fighting a naturally bigger and stronger man, who himself is quite skilled and surely world class, and Lopez dug deep and pulled out the win. He proved his greatness by overcoming this obstacle and adversity, something several fighter (a guy by the name of Roy) never did. As far as acheivements, no, there isn't a comparison between Jones and Lopez, but if you ask who was the superior all-around fighter by observation (and yes, including the level of the foe in front of them), a serious case can be made for Lopez.

 

A+ post. This is not the man to argue with when it comes to the lower weight classes.

 

Jones only ever struggled against pressure fighters when past his prime. In his prime he pretty much ate them up off the ropes and in the pocket. Lopez didn't actually eat up pressure fighters, not good ones anyway. The best one he faced gave him hell, again. A guy like Chang even moreso.

 

Not when considering the amount of opponent they were faced with, I disagree. Based on pure visual ability, I'd still take Jones, but a case can be made. As has been said, most of Jones's second rate wins were better than any of Lopez's. And his top wins are much better and more impressive.

I'd rate Jones's first win over Tarver in a similar light to Lopez's fights with Tarver, Lopez getting more credit because he never officially lost in subsequent matches.

 

Jones jumped from 5 different weight classes, Lopez only ever fought at one until the end of his career, when most of the best opposition was a class up.

 

.........The point of this whole thing was that people make snap judgements based on familiarity. Hopkins was a great example; his opposition was middling at best as champion, yet, he's lauded here as an ATG. Lopez, by virtue of the fact he fought fighters unfamiliar to most of us (and I haven't seen all THAT much of him myself, a few fights) gets short shrift.



P.S. - I'm of Finnish descent. :good