the best fighter at jnr middle!

I can't disagree with your fights above and how Hearns struggled or was comfortable with the weight from fight to fight. In later posts I actually mentioned all this as well. I never mentioned him struggling to make 160lbs at any point, we both previously agreed on that. I basically said the only time he struggled to make 154lbs was his last defense against Medal, which your little chart about backs up.

Your chart and my original quote are the same, but explained differently. Hearns never struggled with 154lbs before he fought Hagler and Schuler, but he did struggle against Medal.

 

Head to head, I would have either Hearns or McCallum number 1. Probably Hearns, but like you said, McCallum is one of the few guys I would give a very good chance to beat Hearns. From 3 to 5, I agree with that list.

 

Norris and Jones are two of my favorite fighters. I always had faith that Norris would win every big fight he was involved.

Terry Norris was the king of big time fighting who came through in the spotlight every time. look how fast he took care of Taylor.

there can be no doubt norris was the champion of champions and i also don't doubt he would beat prime Ray. Leonard was a multfaceted fighter with all the tools you could ever want with the perfect balance of speed and power but even so, Norris had the style to beat him every time.

 

Roy Jones Jr?

 

but i don't consider the jackson fight to be big fight which is what i mentioned-that was just a weekend title fight on abc. jackson was a little known champion at the time and almost no one knew who Norris was. It was my first look at terry norris.

if you were around to look back at the fight, that's how you would view it.

by comparison, Mugabi-norris was more pressure packed because Norris couldn't afford to lose again. and he came through with flying colors just as he came through in the leonard fight where he was a huge underdog.

you must remember how Norris shook up the world that night. it was played down in the media because the magnitude of defeat was too much to for the fans to swallow, let alone admit such defeat to people like me who had told them all along what would happen if Ray ever met someone with the Norris profile.

Norris also easily defeated Taylor and Brown in the rematch. he didn't take Simon seriously the first time so he lost.

 

I like speedsters in general

 

I don't consider Ray past it because of his dominant showing over Duran. He was moving beautifully that night and Ray was brilliant as usual. Give Ray Leonard his due!!

 

So a guy fighting for his first world title didn't see it as a big fight? Against a guy who could literally behead you.

Whatever you are smoking, i'll have a pound of it. That's some good ****.

 

Nice try but you lose you dim witted mule

it was a weekend fight on abc-wws so it didn't matter because no one knew either man was.

In the past, you've left the impression that a fight isn't important unless it gets an infusion of hype and, everyone is aware that everyone else witnessed it. It has to be an event or a happening as Ray Leonard put it, in order for it to really matter.

Do you consider Hagler-Antuofuermo a big fight? Probably not.

Jackson-Norris got no hype, no build up so what reputation did Norris have at the time and what did he have to lose?

Everyone knew who Leonard was and still nobody knew who Norris was. But did he come thru?


Did Leonard come thru? You said that Ray Leonard with his versatility would always find a way to prevail. But Norris is the one who came thru in his first big test.

 

Tommy Hearns, Julian Jackson and Wilfred Benitez.

 

Leonard should be up there despite only fighting at the weight once. Hes beaten some peoples no1 154lber of all timer and a total of 3 154lb champions. Hes also beat many peoples no1 at 160lbs

 

I've seldom seen such a crock of shyte. Even from you. The Jackson fight wasn't big enough to light Terry's fire

:rofl

 

:bush

You guys behave now

 

it's not a crock of ____ like you said because you couldn't give a straight answer.

I asked you who came thru that night. it was supposed to be leonard but everyone including leonard underestimated how fired up Terry would come in.

now, did leonard come thru like you keep saying? You use the word "always" but that is false because leonard failed miserably and Norris did extremely well when he wasn't expected to go more than 3 or 4 rounds. And it wasn't even close like Hagler-Leonard.

face the facts-every leonard fan is embarrassed over that performance while every fan of Norris gets bragging rights to say that leonard was a winner in his own right but not the winner that terry was.

 

Terry Norris ****in tooled Leonard, i love watching that fight.