The best fighter Shavers would beat?

But yes, the answer to the question is a high standing niche fighter. Someone that is overwise excellent that not only just can't take a heavy punch but can't defend one either.

I suppose Norton would be the best he could beat. I can't think of anyone better I'd favor him over unless we start digging up guys from small weight classes.


Shavers certainly can KO Mayweather jr. Mayweather is certainly better than Norton.

 

You know as well as I do. Marciano's counter punching is not anywhere near Quarry's level whether you like it or not. Quarry knocking out Shavers in 1 round was very a impressive performance, and you're trying to downplay it like anyone who had half a brain could do the same thing. Funny how that never worked out for Ali, Holmes, Lyle, Young, Norton, Ellis, etc.

I agree. Even Choklab would laugh at this insinuation that just about anyone, let alone Marciano of all people could repeat Quarry's destruction of Shavers. It's as laughable as it is pathetic.

As I stated, I'd favor Marciano over Shavers based on his 1 round blow out to Quarry and losses to less than stellar opponents but he's not going to do it in one round a la Quarry.

 

I would easily favor a prime Norton over Shavers

 

As previously stated there is no impressive counter punching on display from Quarry in his victory over Shavers. Nothing Marciano couldn't do. Shavers was defeated by aggressive swarming and phone booth fighting.....it's on tape.

I think any aggressive hard hitting swarmer has a shot at repeating Quarry's performance. Why couldn't they? It never happened again because among those guys you listed, none of them had to be that aggressive against Shavers. They had height or reach or weight and could box him.

Did you seriously ask why Young...Jimmy Young couldn't knock out Shavers in a round? What the hell are you on about? Christ. My turn to lol. Yeah...Young's shocking inability to blitz Shavers really sells an argument.

 

11 career KO Young couldn't knock out Shavers....

What a set of whiskers.

 

Quarry was much quicker, more accurate, had a superior punch variety, and strung his combos better than Marciano could. Oh yeah, and he was also an excellent counter puncher, the likes of which Marciano was nowhere near.

I understand you're a big Marciano fan, but their's simply no evidence to suggest Marciano could easily replicate Quarry's feat. He struggled with multiple inferior fighters and was a completely different fighter than Quarry. It's like saying if Tyson could bomb Spinks out in the first, so could Marciano.

1. Is "aggressive hard hitting swarmer" really how you'd describe Quarry?

2. Norton fit that description fairly well (undeniably much better than Quarry). How'd that turn out for him?

1. Quarry didn't have to be "that aggressive" either. See his bouts with Lyle, Foster, etc where he either boxed them or broke them down.

2. If the aforementioned men could've bombed him out from the get-go, they would've. Instead of boxing him, and letting him remain in the fight, land some bombs, leave permanent damage, and/or knock them out.

Yeah that was my reaction when you said Marciano would replicate Quarry's feat.

You stated "As previously stated there is no impressive counter punching on display from Quarry in his victory over Shavers. Nothing Marciano couldn't do." and even went as far as saying "I don't care if Marciano had crippling diarrhea and came into the ring at 178." surely if it was that easy, an excellent counter puncher in Young 22 pounds above 178, would've done the same or at least came close to it.

 

Let's make this simple:

I believe Marciano to be more durable than Norton and Quarry. I believe Marciano hits harder than Quarry. I believe Marciano is a better aggressive fighter than Quarry. I believe Quarry beat Shavers with aggression, not defense as he actually was getting tagged by Earnie until the big rally. If a fighter gets blown out by Quarry in the way Shavers did, they are absolutely suspect to losing in similar fashion to a Marciano.

If you seriously think Young hits harder than Marciano because he's heavier, I have nothing to say as I don't find that to be reasonable at all.

 

4th or 5th time telling you Shavers does have a KO past the 7th round but you keep repeating this lie for some reason.

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He might not need 7 rounds to KO Rocky or Dempsey. They should be favored on paper due to their pedigree but it's far from a guarantee that either one beats Shavers.

 

I'm quoting myself because, of late, I've been reevaluating some of these non Lineal Champions, such as Shavers and others. After more thought and more films on this, I'm convinced that Shavers could probably win at least 6 of 10 times from Sharkey. Man could Ernie hit! Hahahaha.

 

Man, just rewatched this after a few years and WOW! Earnie had some heart!

 

The idea you simply had to nail Shavers a few times and he would quit/get knocked out is very exaggerated.

Lyle went life and death with him and had to scrape himself off the canvas to win. It could have gone either way in a brutal slug fest. Lyle was also the only man to actually keep him on the canvas for the full 10 count.

Quarry always made the big hitters look bad. He caught Shavers early with some nasty counters and then stuck to him like glue landing dozens of shots before he could recover. It happens.

Against Stander he broke his hand early hitting him in the forehead.

Ali and Holmes both threw everything but the kitchen sink t him and couldn't drop him for 38 rounds.

He took blows from big strong guys like Williams and Cobb well.

Ellis, Norton, and Bugner didn't phase him at all and he showed them no respect. Granted they weren't elite power punchers but they had decent pop and if Shavers was this glass jawed guy supposedly he wouldn't be able to do that.

He got off the floor to KO the big hard hitting Jeff Simms. A glass jawed guy or a man lacking heart would not be able to do that.

Against Mercado, Shavers was dominating the fight. Shavers dropped him and hit him so hard his glove tore and Mercado got a full 3 minutes to recover as the team scrambled to find a replacement glove. Mercado arguably caught a break and did not simply "adjust" or handle Shavers' power. It's also noteworthy Shavers took on so many dangerous name/ranked fighters in a row on such short notice yet remained on his feet in many bouts. He had tons of heart and took a lot of punishment without going down. The majority of his stoppage losses he was on his feet/stopped on cuts/or waaay past his prime. You never saw Shavers just wobbling around on jelly legs or constantly getting bounced off the canvas and he NEVER quit.

At his best Shavers would be more than a handful and a dangerous live opponent for anyone h2h.

 

To state the obvious, he might get lucky against Lenox Lewis, or Wladamir Klitschko.

 

Wlad

 

Unfortunately Shavers for his style, his not sublime technique and his huge power is a real question mark like Wilder imo. He could drop and beat a big number of top HWs but he could safely be outboxed by them at the same time.