The best fighter you'd pick Cotto to beat?

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, I was perplexed by the inexplicable impact that Margarito’s punches had on Cotto as the fight wore on. Didn’t make any sense to me until he was caught cheating again right before the Mosley fight. He definitely had the plaster in their first fight too. A damn shame.
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    Brown is very hard to rate but I think Cotto has enough to outbox him.

    Palomino I honestly couldn't decide.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    They watched his hands get wrapped against Cotto so I don't see how he'd have got away with it.
     
  4. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The prime Brown of the late 80s is very underrated. Simon was a solid technician overall, with big power in both hands, and endless stamina. The later two attributes would come back to bite Cotto in the ass, since he was always hittable, and since he ALWAYS, ALWAYS faded late.

    Cotto's lack of stamina is why I can't pick him over Brown and Palomino.
     
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  5. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tszyu might be in fact be the answer to this question, but I wouldn't even favor Cotto over Tszyu at 140.
     
  6. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cotto was out on his feet against Torres and Corley at 140.

    I have a VERY difficult time envisioning him beating Arguello.

    I think the narrative of the junior welter Arguello would have been totally different if he never ran into Pryor.

    Arguello at 140 looked spectacular in destroying Rooney. He looked solid, and filled out at 140. His frame could definitely support the weight.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    Brown has great power and solid wins over Vaca, Blocker and Norris but he's there to be picked apart imo and Cotto is crisp with his short punches. Anything can happen in a fight but for me Brown has more of a punchers chance against Cotto than the status of a solid favourite.

    Palomino has a raft of late knockouts and gun to my head I'd give him the edge over Cotto to score a come from behind KO. In his prime he only really lost to Benitez and Duran. Although he arguably should have lost the Lewis fight and was seen as an easy touch when Stracey signed to defend against him. His resume is a bit lacking for me which is why I don't make him an outright favourite over Miguel.

    I think in terms of power and stamina Palomino has a better argument than Brown for me.

    I think Cuevas has a more than decent chance as well tbh.
     
  8. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with Lufcrazy about the Margarito point. Always have.

    I know that Vegas is corrupt, just like everywhere else in boxing, but still, it'd be pretty DAMN HARD to sneak plaster inserts past the most experienced boxing commission in the world for what was the biggest fight in Vegas that year.
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    Claud Noel and Billy Costello weren't as good as Miguel Cotto, either. Neither was Kevin Rooney.

    I think Cotto-Arguello at 140 would be a good fight. I'd pick the younger, fresher Cotto to win. But it would be close.
     
  10. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Picking Cotto over Brown isn't exactly absurd, but I feel you might be overrating Cotto's boxing ability if you feel he could pick Brown apart. The truth is, Cotto wasn't a great technician. His overall skill really wasn't any better than Brown's, although I'll admit he had more fluid footwork than Brown.

    Brown IMO was a better counterpuncher, and definitely threw a straighter, more accurate right hand.

    Cotto's movement isn't good enough to avoid being dragged into a firefight with Brown, and Brown would win the firefight. He was a bigger puncher, stronger, better chin, and as we already established, a lot more stamina.
     
  11. SquaredCircle

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    The 2007 version of Shane Mosley that he beat. That's about the highest level of fighter he could beat as he barely edged Mosley about 7-5. I consider that version of Mosley a notch below truly great.

    Guys like Cuevas, Palomino, Brown, etc. would beat the hell out of Cotto. Forrest, Quartey, De La Hoya, and Trinidad would beat him quite convincingly also. I'd be interested to see peak Cotto against Jose Luis Lopez - I could see that turning out very bad for Cotto.
     
  12. Xplosive

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    I'm talking pre-Pryor 1.

    Arguello was never again the same after the first Pryor fight, which is very understandable.

    Obviously Rooney wasn't anywhere near Cotto, but just ask yourself... the right hand that flattened Rooney... could Cotto at 140 handle that all night?
     
  13. SquaredCircle

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    TBH, I really don't know if I'd favor Miguel over ANY legitimately great fighters at the peak of their powers. Love Miguel - he represented the sport well for a very long time - but he was an obvious step below the great ones. Too many defensive holes, not physically imposing enough, lacked elite durability, and didn't excel at any particular skill. I guess you could say he had a great body attack/left hook to the ribcage, but that was only when he was confronted with sub-elites he could impose his will on.

    Cotto, to me, is like a seven of all trades, master of none.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    Maybe I am overrating Cotto, maybe you're over rating Brown, it's hard to be certain in cases like this.

    I was convinced Sergio would smash Cotto to bits and I was convinced Cotto would smash Trout to bits. If I called every fight how it went I'd be a very rich man now haha.

    What do you reckon the betting line would be for Cotto - Brown?
     
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  15. Dubblechin

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    In addition to Cotto, I'd take the 2007 version of Shane Mosley over Cuevas, Palomino and Brown. Who'd they beat at 147 who was better than Shane Mosley?

    Randy Shields? (LOL) Dave "Boy" Green? (LOL) Maurice Blocker? (LOL)

    You're underselling Cotto. (And Mosley, for that matter.)