The best Heavyweight (1890-2019) Tournament Third Round Part 2

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Who wins at their Heavyweight peak?

Poll closed Sep 1, 2019.

  1. Jim Jeffries beats Harry Wills

    9 vote(s)
    52.9%

  2. Harry Wills beats Jim Jeffries

    8 vote(s)
    47.1%

  3. Joe Louis beats Sonny Liston

    13 vote(s)
    76.5%

  4. Sonny Liston beats Joe Louis

    4 vote(s)
    23.5%

  5. Ezzard Charles beats Jack Dempsey

    5 vote(s)
    29.4%

  6. Jack Dempsey beats Ezzard Charles

    12 vote(s)
    70.6%

  7. George Foreman beats Lennox Lewis

    8 vote(s)
    47.1%

  8. Lennox Lewis beats George Foreman

    9 vote(s)
    52.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
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  1. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have created a 64 man tournament involving the most (all?) of the best Heavyweights of the time period.

    All fighters have come to MSG in 2019 and will fight under modern rules, but over 15 rounds with neutral judges.

    All fighters are assumed to be at their peak.

    As it is a long tournament I will try and avoid clogging the board by doing four/five fights at a time, so you have four/five votes.

    I have split fighters into eight sections, so their first three fights will be fights generally against fighters of their era or near their era.

    My vote will only count to break a tie.

    First Round results thus far:

    Jim Jeffries beats Joe Jeannette
    Harry Wills beats Tommy Burns
    Max Baer beats Jimmy Braddock
    Cleveland Williams beats Billy Conn
    Muhammad Ali beats Jerry Quarry
    George Foreman beats Mike Tyson
    Lennox Lewis beats Shannon Briggs
    Tyson Fury beats Alexander Povetkin
    Wlad Klitschko beats Roy Jones
    Vitali Klitschko beats Razor Ruddock
    Evander Holyfield beats Buster Douglas
    Ken Norton beats Ingemar Johansson
    Floyd Patterson beats Zora Folley
    Joe Louis beats Max Schmeling
    Sam Langford beats Fred Fulton
    Bob Fitzsimmons beats James J Corbett
    John L Sullivan beats Tom Sharkey
    Jimmy Bivins beats Jess Willard
    Jack Dempsey beats Gene Tunney
    Ezzard Charles beats Archie Moore
    Joe Frazier beats Tim Witherspoon
    Michael Spinks beats Leon Spinks
    Ray Mercer beats Michael Moorer
    David Tua beats Anthony Joshua
    Deontay Wilder beats Corrie Sanders
    Mike Weaver beats Hasim Rahman
    Larry Holmes beats Riddick Bowe
    Sonny Liston beats Jimmy Young
    Peter Jackson beats Peter Maher
    Jack Johnson beats Marvin Hart
    Jack Sharkey beats Primo Carnera
    Rocky Marciano beats Jersey Joe Walcott


    Second Round

    Jim Jeffries beats John L Sullivan
    Harry Wills beats Jim Bivins
    Joe Louis beats Max Baer
    Ezzard Charles beats Floyd Patterson
    Sonny Liston beats Joe Frazier
    George Foreman beats Evander Holyfield
    Lennox Lewis beats Vitali Klitschko
    Wlad Klitschko beats Tyson Fury
    Bob Fitzsimmons beats Peter Jackson
    Jack Johnson beats Sam Langford
    Jack Dempsey beats Jack Sharkey
    Rocky Marciano beats Cleveland Williams
    Muhammad Ali beats Ken Norton
    Larry Holmes beats Michael Spinks
    Ray Mercer beats Mike Weaver
    David Tua beats Deontay Wilder
     
    TBooze, Aug 30, 2019
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  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Around 24 hours left to vote
     
    TBooze, Aug 31, 2019
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  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I'd love to hear how Lewis beats Foreman, Foreman was stronger and hit hard enough to spark Lewis in an instant.
     
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Aug 31, 2019
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Distance management.
     
    George Crowcroft, Aug 31, 2019
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I'd like to hear how Louis beats Liston, that's a toxic fight for him imo
     
    George Crowcroft, Aug 31, 2019
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  6. christpuncher

    christpuncher Active Member banned Full Member

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    can't they all fight in Saudi Arabia instead, be better??
     
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  7. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Easier said than done when your opponent is wild swinging and rushing inside with no fear, with a reach similar to yours

    I personally think distance management is what gets Lewis past the first 3 rounds. Then Foreman gets desperate
     
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Aug 31, 2019
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  8. JohnThomas1

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    Lewis wouldn't be running away from Foreman early - he'd be looking to get his respect. Lewis and Steward just aren't that stupid. Lewis threw plenty of bombs in round 1 against Tyson to take the sting out of him early. He'd do the same here. Foreman can be hit by right hands and Lewis has a great one - long, hard and quite accurate. He is one of very very few who would have the size, power and strength to sit George back early.

    It's a pick'em affair. There's a lot less explaining needed than picking say Marciano over Foreman.
     
    JohnThomas1, Aug 31, 2019
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  9. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Fair call, though it's difficult to get young Foreman's respect. Lyle couldn't do it even with a knockdown against mentally shot Foreman.

    I agree on the bottom paragraph as well, though I don't understand how it has any bearing here
     
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Aug 31, 2019
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  10. JohnThomas1

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    I'd certainly not debate anyone picking George, or Lewis for that matter. To strongly side with either would not reflect the match up imo. Both absolutely have the ability to beat the other imo.
     
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  11. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Prime Foreman knocks out Lewis. He was starched twice by single blows. No one hit like Foreman. First solid blow to Lewis chin and the bout is over.
     
    HOUDINI, Aug 31, 2019
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  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Voting closes in about 9 hours
     
    TBooze, Sep 1, 2019
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  13. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I'd saying picking Rocky over Foreman is pretty easy to explain, even if you disagree. You think Rocky would survive the early onslaught and win late. Easier said than done though.
     
    BitPlayerVesti, Sep 1, 2019
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  14. McGrain

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    Those are some good fights. Liston/Louis and Lewis/Foreman would be good finals.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    The scenario is easy to explain but convincing people of it's plausibility would be something else altogether.
     
    JohnThomas1, Sep 1, 2019
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