The Best Heavyweight Since Ali?

Ok so you misspell his name in some sort of lame attempt at humor. Compared to Larry Holmes Wladimir has a better record, superior resume, significantly higher KO% and actually has unified titles but of course believing Klitschko is better than Holmes is ridiculous.

 

Those body punches Foreman was throwing weren't all that telegraphed in my mind. One thing which is vastly under rated was how may clean body shots Ali absorbed in that fight. You can't teach that.

 

Look at ForemanJab duck eveything put to him cos he has no answer for any of it.

Typical k-****.

 

Yes Foreman was landing quite heavy to the body against Ali who was presenting himself as an open target against the ropes. Now I'll say that while I can admire a man's resilance to take hard blows, it is a terrible tactic one is interested a long career without suffering from debilitating injuries to the body and brain.

Really in my mind this was Foreman's fight to win. He was the huge favorite, he had KO'd the opponents that had given Ali the hardest so he psychologically came into the fight with an advantage. Foreman really sold himself short fighting like a rampaging amateur. No use whatsoever of an educated jab, no ability to pace himself and had a very wide open defence.

It's as if George in light of his destructions of the Ali conquerors, fell in love with his punching power and tried to blow ALi away, technique be damned.
In spite of his horrible approach to the fight, the fight was extremely close.
George's trainer Dick Sadler didn't help matters barking at Foreman to keep on pushing the pace.
I have always felt if he fought a more measured fight he would have won.

 

What?

 

No, not really

I gave George two rounds going into the eighth.

Two judges had Ali ahead by three rounds and the other by two.

Ali got into George's head. Like he would have against the mentally weaker Tyson or Wlad.

Don't think so. Was he going to box with Ali ?

He might have made the 15th but he'd have lost worse.

 

If you drop Wlad to 10 and Vitali altogether, you would have a reasonable, defensible list. Not my list but an arguable list, nonetheless.

No Tyson ?



1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Evander Holyfield
6. George Foreman
7. Rocky Marciano
8. Joe Frazier
9.
10. Wladimir Klitschko

 

Ranking Wladimir at #4 and Vitali at #8 all time are reasonable and defensible picks. The picks are readily understandable if you are unbiased, and value objective statistical analysis over subjective personal opinion. After evaluating some important statistics including total HWWC(HeavyWeight World Championship) wins, HWWC average opponent weight, HWWC KOs(within 12 rounds) against true HWs(200+) excluding b.u.m.s(12 or less fights or lose 25% of fights),HWWC max wins in a row against true HWs excluding bums, # of HWWC wins against true HW southpaws,HWWC wins against true HW unbeaten fighters(at least 15-0) etc
I have pulled Joe Frazier and Rocky Marciano off the list. Added to the list in their place are Mike Tyson and Chris Byrd.

My revised HW ATG list is:

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitschko
Larry Holmes
Evander Holyfield
George Foreman
Vitali Klitschko
Mike Tyson
Chris Byrd

 

I based my opinion on what I saw in the fight. Foreman was landing punches to the body regularly and whether it was by design by Ali or not they still were scoring blows. I don't take the judges scorecards very seriously, especially in Ali fights. The commentary team were all in concensus that it was a very close fight.

I don't agree with the second half of the post. I don't beleive Ali's win came as a result of him "getting in his head". George simply at this stage of his career didn't know how to pace himself and gassed out.

You are extrapolating from the Foreman fight on hypotetical matches against two fighters with completely different styles and abilities to Foreman. I do not beleive either Mike Tyson or Wladimir Klitschko are mentally weak. In Tyson's case he simply had a poor cardiovasular threshold and would fatigue late in fights, this can be seen in the fact that he only recorded 2 of his 44 career knockouts after the 7th round. Wladimir is not weak mentally either, there is no way one can stay consistently great as long as he has being mentally fragile.

We cannot say what would happen in these hypothetical matches but could they knockout Ali if they landed clean punches square on his chin? The statistics
indicate the answer would be yes.

 

Ok klitschko ass-licker idiota.**** you!
Just an idota like you can say a klitschko loss is better than Tyson's Berbick win .

 

The Easton Assassin

 

This Hide thing shows how idiota you are.It was a bull**** ko.

 

See the post above yours, fool, and you'll notice I'm trying to give some balance to a Klitschko fan who's a bit unrealistic...

But of course, I'm a biased K fan.

You're not too bright, are you ?

 

Put away the bottle and get to bed.

You're beginning to make a **** of yourself.

Again.

 

This comes from a klitschko ass-licker brainwasher.