The best HOMEGROWN BRITISH heavyweights of all-time ?

As I said I rate Bruno ahead of Farr, I just do not disrespect those who went for Farr though.

I also do not get why Danny Williams is involved here; we are talking Bruno and Farr. The evidence is strong enough to win the debate in ****yzing their careers head to head, without throwing red herrings into the discussion.

People are not stupid here, throwing out random comments or trying to spin the debate, is not going to get very far.

I have found out through a decade here if I chill out a bit and be a bit more concise, that I do not need to 'call out' those who believe what I believe.

 

I'm not including any red herrings.

I don't rate Williams because of his losses and I DO rate Farr even though he has losses ... because I'm looking at their ENTIRE careers. I've said that over and over again.

People who rate Farr because he beat Baer and insist others ignore a decade of his losses ... all I said is if you're going to do that ... then do that for everyone ... just include everyone's best wins and dismiss their losses as well.

I know people aren't stupid here. But they tend to be selective and "choose" what they look at when they favor a guy and hold others to a different standard.

When people are selective for some and not others it warps things.

That's why I brought up Williams. Rating Danny Williams above Farr would be ridiculous. And everyone knows that. Because, when looking at Williams, you look AT HIS WHOLE CAREER - not just his big wins.

It's not disrespectful to point that out or to call people on it if they are being selective with some and not with others.

It's disrespectful to the fighters who get brushed off because people hold them to different standards than they do their favorites.

And saying I dismiss Williams for all his losses over his long career ... but I'm only going to judge Farr by his record from 1936 to 1940 (and ignore all his bad losses) ... is holding one person to a different standard.

 

There seems to be a lot of argumentative agreement going on here!

 

:good

 

I agree with your overall argument about BRUNO and FARR, I just pointed out, you do not need to go off at a tangent. Danny Williams losing tonight in Latvia and next week in Poland, has no relevance to this debate. And not giving Farr kudos is not needed either.

 

****ell's a L-HW really...

what about Wood****, he usually on all British HW lists, Billy Wells, Jack Gardener, L-HW cum HWs Len Harvey & Johnny Williams, there are more British home grown boys than being discussed here, lost in this Farr discussion.

 

He was a light heavyweight, and not exactly body beautiful, but his resume stacks up pretty well against the other suspects.

He was an overachiever, where many of those measured were underachievers, and perhaps a surprising success story.

 

Haye seems too high in a top five, are we counting his cruiser wins towards things too?.

 

I'm still trying to figure out how the guy who started this thread determined Lennox Lewis doesn't qualify for the best British heavyweight ever ... but guys who weren't born in England or weren't heavyweights most of their careers do.

I mean, in a way, I can understand Fitzsimmons. He boxed 82 pro bouts and NEVER fought in England.

But Lewis was born in London. He's a British citizen. He turned pro in London. He fought nearly every pro fight in the UK on his way to winning the British, Commonwealth and European heavyweight titles. He defeated Ruddock in London to essentially gain WBC recognition as champion. He defended his world heavyweight title three times in the UK (against Bruno, McCall and Botha).

But he's not a British heavyweight because he fought as an amateur in his teens in Canada after his mom moved him there?

Yet Joe Bugner, born in Hungary, fighting in England, and then fighting and becoming a citizen of Australia ... and changing his name to "Aussie" Joe Bugner ... is a Brit because he started his career as an amateur there?

Nothing about this thread ever made sense.

Oh well.

 

I think the thread starter was saying Lewis 'learnt his trade' outside the UK; and they wanted to discuss Heavyweights who 'learnt his trade' in the UK. Although they did need clarify their situation!

 

He's talking about fighters that actually came through the British boxing setup as a youth and had most of their development from British trainers etc...the amatuers blah blah.

It's not hard to understand.

btw audley Harrison shouldn't be anywhere near a top ten.

 

There is another factor, that focuses down on these fighters.

Bob Fitzsimmons and Lennox Lewis were lineal champions, and there was not another British lineal heavyweight champion, in the century between them.

That makes the question of "who was the nearest miss", of interest to me.

 

I guess Lewis never learned anything after his amateur career. Because he fought basically his entire pro career up to earning the WBC title in the UK.