The Best HW Jab Ever When He Was At His Best?

Hearns has a top notch all time jab. One of my favorites also

 

Seconded on Tommy Hearns' jab. Also since we are deviating from heavyweights with this...Carlos Monzon's jab is one for the books too. Another great who used it as offense and defense, and to measure for unloading damage.

 

Cheers. Monzon had a great jab as well.

 

Has Foster been mentioned yet? Fantastic jab.

 

He was a target when he threw the jab because his right was out of position Futch spotted and coached Norton in,ie "when he jabs you jab,your right will be in position to block his jab, but his won't stop yours because it is away from his body". Holmes had the best jab as far as I'm concerned not quite as fast as Ali's, but more punishing and it set up the right hand perfectly. Liston had a very heavy and accurate jab , but it could be counter productive because it was so heavy, it moved the recipient out of range of the follow up shots. Foreman had the same problem and learnt for the Moorer fight to throw pitty- pat jabs.Louis's jab was a great one.

 

Foster's was a great jab that came up from his waist,very difficult to avoid.

 

Can we look at the percentage rate of which he lands jabs?

Against Haye he landed 105/376 - 28% connect rate.

Lewis against Holy in fight 1 landed 187/364 - 51% connect rate

I think we can all easily agree that Evander was better than David Haye. So that begs the question - how many jabs would he land on Holyfield? The stats would indicate he'd do no better than in or around a 8% connect rate.
Can Wlad throw a very good jab? Yeah . Can he land it on opponents who have elite level talent? no Can he control and keep guys on the outside? No.
Those are the factors of a great jab.

 

You would have to factor in that Holyfield would be committing himself to trying to win so he would get hit more. Haye did not make that commitment imo therefore he didn't get hit too much. I think he stunk the place out personally.

 

Haye wouldn't have lasted 4 rounds against Lewis and likely would have been sparked out off a jab.

 

I dislike Haye ,I think he is a con man, but I can't see any basis for your prediction.

 

There's plenty basis. Haye was domestic level, Euro level at best. He could barely put punches together. He looked like a drunken scrapper finishing off Harrison. Go straight to the 3rd round because nothing happened before that.

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Ask yourself why a power house like Wlad who supposedly had a great jab couldn't hurt him and was hanging on for dear life every time Haye got close to him?

Yeah , Holyfield would come to win , but that wouldn't mean he'd get hit more , it just means Wlad would hold on more. With Holys constant circular movement , i don't see Wlad being able to land a jab on him.
He couldn't on Haye and Haye was right there in front of him.
Look at the jab stats of Bowe and Lewis against Holy... Those guys had authentic great jabs. And i don't need stats to tell me that , i can see it with my eyes.

 

Lewis landed 33% of the jabs in his 2nd meeting.
51% in their first meeting.

Bowe landed 53% of the jabs in their first meeting.
Probably similar numbers in their other 2 fights considering he managed to land 45-50% of his punches in all 3 fights.

Old Foreman landed 54% of his jabs

Ruiz landed 33% of his jabs.

Moorer easily landed his jabs first meeting.

But no, Wlad can't land his jab.
Ok Dino.


Holyfield was in no way, a defensive specialist.

 

How does WK have one of the best jabs of all time when his connect rate against sub-par opposition was that low? What am i missing here?

Against Tyson Lewis landed jabs at a whopping 53%. In Wlads rematch against Sam Peter he landed just 20%.

53/271. Thats an abysmal statistic against a walking punch bag for a so called great jabber.

In fight one against Peter his total hit rate was 204/523 - 39%. 12 rounds.

Lewis against Tua totalled 300/674 - 45%

Sam Peter against Lewis would have looked exactly like the Briggs fight. No way Peter ever goes the distance with any version of Lewis. And no way does any great jabber manage to only land a pitiful 20%

 

He really did. It was very quick and hurtful and, although he didn't throw it as well as Ali when moving side to side, he was good when backing off.

I'll just throw this into the mix though. Considering he had an ATG jab and you could make a case for it being the best jab ever, he did catch a few overhand rights (Snipes, 'Spoon and Shavers come to mind). That's suggesting to me that his outgoing jab was great but the 2nd half of the jab, bringing the lead hand back, was where it might have fallen short.

 

Agreed.
Addendum:
But would you say the jab in it's effectiveness falls short or because Holmes used it as a major portion of how he fought? And therefore it was countered in those instances against Snipes, Shavers, and Witherspoon? I think the later myself...