The best Hw's ever.

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  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Top six-won't split them for now.

    Joe Louis
    Gene Tunney
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Ezzard Charles
    Max Schmeling
    Jack Sharkey

    7 Tommy Loughran
    8 Max Baer
    9 Jimmy Bivins
    10 George Godfrey
    11 Primo Carnera
    12 Billy Conn
    13 Bob Pastor
    14 Joey Maxim
    15 Melio Bettina
    16 James Braddock
    17 Steve Hamas
    18 John Henry Lewis
    19 Lou Nova
    20 Tommy Farr
    21 Arturo Godoy
    22 Maxie Rosenbloom
    23 Tiger Jack Fox
    24 Lee Q Murray
    25 Clarence Henry
    26 Turkey Thompson
    27 Elmer Ray
    28 Roland Lastarza
    29 Rex Layne
    30 Johnny Risko
     
    mattdonnellon, Nov 15, 2011
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  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Larry Gains beat Max Schmeling and Primo Carnera, he has to be in it. He also looks good on film. I would actually consider taking Turkey Thompson out.
     
    SuzieQ49, Nov 15, 2011
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  3. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Green Schmeling though and ditto for Carnera. Still i wouldn't take much persuasion to put him in, a good fighter, beat Godfrey too. Most of the 10-40 guys can be talked up or down, a lot of fine heavyweights in this period.
     
    mattdonnellon, Nov 16, 2011
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  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My pick of 34 to be culled to 30;

    Marciano
    Moore
    H.Johnson
    Valdez
    Jackson
    Baker
    Patterson
    Machen
    Folley
    Cleroux
    Chuvalo
    Johansson
    Liston
    Ali
    Terrell
    Cooper
    Quarry
    Frazier
    Bonavena
    Martin
    Ellis
    Foreman
    Norton
    Bugner
    Lyle
    Shavers
    Holmes
    Tate
    Weaver
    Coetzee
    L.Spinks
    Berbick
    Dokes
    Young
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    Two I've culled that most probably wouldn't have.

    Mildenberger
    Cl.Williams
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    The culled!

    Mathis
    Peralta
    D.Jones
    Ocasio
    L.Jones
    H.Smith
    Cockell
    M.Foster
    Satterfield
    Clarke
    Middleton
    Bobick
    Mercado
    Spencer
    DeJohn
    Walls
    Knoetze
    Pastramo
     
    mattdonnellon, Nov 16, 2011
    mattdonnellon, Nov 16, 2011
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    from what I've read yeah. Practically out on his feet when the fight was stopped so it's fair treating it like a tko victory imo.
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 16, 2011
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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Using your 30 (Baer instead of turkey), here's my take



    Louis
    Charles
    Walcott
    Schemlling
    Tunney
    Bivins
    Baer
    Sharkey
    Braddock

    These top guys were all the best at some point

    Carnera

    Had a claim to the lineal title

    Ray
    La Starza
    Loughran
    Godfrey
    Conn
    Pastor
    Maxim
    Bettina
    Hamas
    Lewis
    Nova
    Farr
    Godoy
    Rosenbloom
    Fox
    Murray
    Henry
    Layne
    Risko
    Baer

    The bottom end guys i think you actually split pretty good. Ray for a couple of years was damn near unstoppable and based on his amazing form during his peak, I put him right up there. La starza rates a bit higher based on his showings against rocky.

    I wasn't overly sold on Hamas but I think you were right so I'm gonna leave him in.
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 16, 2011
    lufcrazy, Nov 16, 2011
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  7. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Finally a bit of tidying up;

    >1922

    1 johnson
    2 dempsey
    3 jeffries
    4 fitz
    5 langford
    6 corbett
    7 jackson
    8 mcvea
    9 wills
    10 jeannette
    11 burns
    12 maher
    13 sharkey
    14 goddard
    15 sullivan
    16 hart
    17 slavin
    18 willard
    19 martin
    20 o'brien
    21 mc coy
    22 ruhlin
    23 mc carthy
    24 choynsky
    25 gibbons
    26 gunboat smith
    27 fulton
    28 ed smith
    29 childs
    30 Farnan
     
    mattdonnellon, Nov 16, 2011
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  8. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where does everyone stand on Paulino Uzcuden (or have i got the dates wrong). He would have to be very close to making it,
     
    Boilermaker, Nov 16, 2011
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  9. lufcrazy

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    Walker could have a decent shout as well ya know.
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 16, 2011
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  10. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Im not a fan.
    However based on his best fights v Wills, Baer and Schmeling it would be very reasonable to include him. Seems fair to say he was around the level of Risko, Walker, Griffiths, Schaaf etc-could be in or out.
     
    mattdonnellon, Nov 16, 2011
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  11. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And his losses were all pretty close, with some other solid contenders from memory that included guys tuffy griffiths, Phil Scott etc. It is wildly assumed that Wills was completley shot but while he wasnt in peak condition, i think this is still a huge performance. Wills had just come off a strong fight with Sharkey and before that had dominated a fighter like weinert who was a good contender. And after that he blasted out all his competition, which was admittedly second rate. He only really lost to the very best contenders, and even then it was usually close and even debateable. I think he did a lot more than Turkey Thompson for example.
     
    Boilermaker, Nov 16, 2011
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  12. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Turning into a Turkey shoot!
    Boilermaker makes good points Paulino lost close ones to Loughran and Carnera also. Think we will bump him in.
     
    mattdonnellon, Nov 16, 2011
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  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    No way Uzcuden should get in. He screwed up a world title shot in a pathetic loss to Primo Carnera. You think if Larry Gains got that world title shot he would have blown it? Gains would have won a wide unanimous decision over Carnera like he did right here

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO0cndcdeY0[/ame]
     
    SuzieQ49, Nov 16, 2011
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  14. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not an Uzcuden apologist but he was 34 and finished for the second Carnera fight. Gains I rate either in or close to the top 30 but like most of the top 20'ish to '40 ish fighters he had a fair few hurtful losses.
     
    mattdonnellon, Nov 16, 2011
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  15. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1982-2011 roster.

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    Cooney
    Thomas
    Bey
    Norris
    Damiani
    Witherspoon
    Tubbs
    Smith
    Snipes
    C.Williams
    Bruno
    M.Spinks
    Tucker
    Douglas
    McCall
    Holyfield
    Moorer
    Mercer
    Morrison
    Ruddock
    Lewis
    Akinwanda
    Mason
    Donald
    Grant
    Oquendo
    Bowe
    Golota
    Tyson
    Hide
    Rahman
    McCline
    Seldon
    Hunter
    Maskaev
    V.Klitscho
    W.Klitscho
    Valuev
    Ruiz
    Byrd
    Tua
    Ibeabuchi
    Kirk Johnson
    Peter
    Sanders
    Toney
    Chambers
    Povetkin
    Haye
    Brewster
    Briggs
    Chagaev
    Ibragimov
    Kevin Johnson
    Adamek
    Helenius

    May have missed someone.
     
    mattdonnellon, Nov 17, 2011
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