The Best I Faced : Pierre Coetzer

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  1. Unforgiven

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    From Ring magazine website.

    [url]https://www.ringtv.com/584998-best-i-faced-pierre-coetzer/[/url]

    Big-punching Pierre Coetzer was a fixture in the heavyweight division from the late-1980s to early-1990s and one of the best big men from South Africa of all time.

    Coetzer was born in Pretoria, South Africa, on December 6, 1961. He came from a middle-to-upper-class background and his early years were without incident.

    “There’s a lot of guys who had a much harder upbringing than I had,” Coetzer told The Ring. “I had a fairly good early life.”

    However he was bullied and it lead him to boxing.

    “Everyone in school used to hit me and my dad said to me, ‘You’d better do something to yourself.’

    “I started boxing when I was about eight, nine years old. I took up Karate first; my brother went with the guys to the boxing club and eventually they asked me to come with one evening. There was a tour to the Free State and I thought it was a nice trip to join the guys. That’s where it all started.”

    The gentle giant went on to have over 200 amateur contests, winning the national title multiple times. Due to apartheid, Coetzer never fought internationally. His one amateur venture outside of his homeland was to South America in 1981.

    “We went as an educational team; we couldn’t go as a boxing team. We couldn’t box in Springbok colors, nothing,” he explained. “All the guys I trained with they were amateurs but acted like professional guys. [The South Americans] were much more ahead of us.”

    Coetzer came along just as the careers of Gerrie Coetzee and Kallie Knoetze were winding down, turning professional in February 1983, with a first round win at Ellis Park Tennis Stadium, Johannesburg. He won his first nine fights before losing for the first time to Bernard Benton by unanimous deciion.

    He rebounded to win the South African national title in September 1984. Interestingly Coetzer held the title for seven years without making a single defense.

    Coetzer won his next 12 fights, including an impressive first round knockout over Benton in their rematch and a wide points decision over seasoned veteran Alfredo Evangelista.

    He split two fights with former cruiserweight titleholder Ossie Ocasio in 1988 before meeting long-time rival Johnny du Plooy in an exciting fire-fight in the summer of 1990.

    “We were supposed to fight as amateurs, three or four times, and every time, either Johnny didn’t come to the tournament or something happened,” Coetzer said. “It was a big thing and everybody always said I was scared of Johnny du Plooy.

    “I had a fight and then Johnny du Plooy challenged me and I said to my trainer, ‘Listen, cancel that fight; we take on the Johnny fight.’ and everybody said if the fight goes the distance, I will win the fight but du Plooy is the harder hitter and I knocked him out in two rounds.”

    Over the next couple of years, the heavily mustachioed Coetzer stayed on track, winning seven fights to earn a fight with rising heavyweight Riddick Bowe in an WBA final eliminator.

    The supremely gifted American picked the gutsy South African apart, stopping him in seven rounds.

    Just three months later, Coetzer traveled to London to meet Frank Bruno. The charismatic Brit stopped Coetzer in eight rounds.

    Again Coetzer didn’t wait around and was only too pleased to test his skills against George Foreman in January 1993.

    “That was one of my biggest dreams,” he said. “When George made his comeback, I said to my trainer, ‘That is a guy I want to fight.’ He was my hero when I was younger. What a gentleman; what an unbelievable man.”

    Coetzer put up a valiant effort, getting off the canvas twice before being stopped in the eighth round.

    After losing to Foreman, Coetzer (39-5, 27 knockouts) decided to walk away from boxing with his faculties intact.

    “I’m 100 percent; there’s nothing wrong with me,” he said profoundly. “I had a great career. I listened to my late father, who said, ‘You can have all the money in the bank but if you can’t write out the check for it, why stay in the business?'”

    Coetzer worked as a bodyguard for two significant heads of state in the early-1990s.

    “We were with [then President] F.W de Klerk and we went to a function,” he said. “We’re standing in the crowd waiting for F.W. to come in and Nelson Mandela came right through the crowd and walked straight to me, ’cause he was also a boxer, shook my hand and started talking to me. I knew Nelson Mandela very well. Eventually when he became President, I was his bodyguard a few times. What a great man.”

    Coetzer, now 57, has been married for 25 years and has a daughter in university. Since retiring from boxing, he has become a successful businessman running a German copper foundry.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    He graciously took time to speak to The Ring about the best he fought in 10 key categories.

    BEST JAB
    RIDDICK BOWE: He had a great jab. Not as much the speed, it was very, very powerful and consistent. He was a big guy and he had a very good range. He had an excellent left jab.

    BEST DEFENSE
    GEORGE FOREMAN: There was two guys, firstly Ossie Ocasio. He was a very awkward fighter, very difficult to hit, the way he’d hold you, make it difficult for you, spoiler. The other guy was George Foreman; he had an unbelievable defense. I think he was the only guy I saw that had that kind of defense with both his arms in front of his body, the crossbow. I think George Foreman was much better.

    BEST HANDSPEED
    JOSE RIBALTA: Their was a guy by the name of Jose Ribalta. I fought him in Biloxi [Mississippi] and he had great, great hands, very good handspeed.

    BEST FOOTWORK
    OSSIE OCASIO: There was a few. Ossie Ocasio had good footwork. The way he moved, he’d call you in and sidestep you and hold you, very good spoiler.

    SMARTEST
    BOWE: I think Riddick Bowe. Bowe was a complete fighter. He had everything. He was tall; he was a big guy, fairly good handspeed, brilliant puncher. The way he would attack you, the normal guys come forward and hit you, the way he wears you down, a very clever fighter. Another clever fighter I fought was Bernard Benton. In the first fight, he beat me on points.

    STRONGEST
    FRANK BRUNO: He was physically very strong, not the greatest fighter but very strong. One thing I’m very grateful is I never fought George Foreman in his heyday. [Foreman] was strong but not that strong.


    BEST CHIN
    MANOEL DE ALMEIDA: It was a Brazilian guy. I hit him all over; the skin came off on his forehead and he just stood there. I knocked him out to the body. He could take a punch. I hit him with everything for four rounds. He didn’t even blink his eye.

    BEST PUNCHER
    BOWE: Definitely the hardest puncher of all the guys was Riddick Bowe. Bruno wasn’t a big puncher; Riddick Bowe was unbelievable. He burst my eardrum. All through the fight up until the seventh round, all the punches, you could feel each one.

    BEST BOXING SKILLS
    ALFREDO EVANGELISTA: He had a fairly big body. How he moved was unbelievable. He was a very clever fighter. He had a fairly good punch, very difficult to hit the guy. He was very ring-wise. He knew all the tricks in the book.

    BEST OVERALL
    BOWE: I think he could have been world champion today, if he had just looked after himself. The discipline went. After me, he fought Evander Holyfield. He beat Holyfield and, after that, went one way. He was definitely the best I fought.
     
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  3. Unforgiven

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    It's interesting that he remarks on Frank Bruno ("not the greatest fighter but") being the strongest and that Foreman at that age wasn't as strong.
    Definitely fine praise for Bruno, who's already regarded as a legend on this forum.

    100% agree with him regarding Riddick Bowe. If only he'd maintained his peak and improved on it after winning the title from Holyfield, instead of stagnating and deteriorating.
     
  4. Kamikaze

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    Interesting to note no mention of Foreman's power at all.
     
  5. young griffo

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    Let’s be honest you can take these things with a pinch of salt. Foreman dropped Coetzer hard twice and busted him up. He hit him clearly pretty solidly.
    But if Coetzer feels otherwise who are we to judge?
     
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  6. Kamikaze

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    Now call me a tad silly, but I’ve hardly seen Foreman mentioned as the CLEAR hardest puncher in a lot of the “best I’ve faced series” Evander said Tyson never hit him clean enough to truthfully judge between the two not doubting he hits very hard just food for thought. Ali scarcely mentioned his power (From memory) stating others hit harder (even aside from Shavers) and a few mutual opponents say Liston hit harder others even say Smokin Joe hit harder.

    Perhaps he hit extremely hard and maybe we underrate other fighters power?
     
  7. young griffo

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    From memory Holyfield said George hit the hardest and was by far the physically strongest guy he fought.
    That said his opinion is just that. Coetzers is just as relevant despite being the lesser fighter. That’s what makes these “Best I Faced” articles so interesting (and sometimes confusing lol)
     
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  8. KidDynamite

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    Interesting.

    Always thought Bowes power was overrated ... But I can believe Bruno being physically stronger than old Foreman...
     
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  9. FrankinDallas

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    Classic mustache. For that alone he should be in the boxing HOF.
     
  10. PhillyPhan69

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    This was an interesting read, and his replies have an air of authenticity to them. I enjoyed his thoughts on Evangelista who I don’t think of on the light but maybe I should revisit a couple of his fights.

    The mentions of Ribalta and Ocasio was thought provoking as I generally undersell these 2.

    His contrast of Foreman and Bruno in terms of strong was pretty cool.

    And I like the way he gave Almeida props in the chin department gives a perspective of a fighter who knows when he landed a good clean shot and how well a guy absorbed them.

    pretty cool read. Thanks for sharing it
     
  11. McGrain

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    " the skin came off on his forehead and he just stood there."

    Boxing is pretty mad, really.
     
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  12. PhillyPhan69

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    I like the respect he paid Bowe (who seems to get more negative responses on the whole from fans), and how he named him the best jab, smartest fighter he faced, the best puncher and the best overall. I think it easy to forget sometimes just how good Bowe was in his short peak but also fair to wonder if he could have sustained it better had he been more committed after achieving success. I remember thinking he was going to be a quicker, bigger, stronger type of Larry Homes on his rise.
     
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    That was a good profile.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Coetzer wasn't so much big punching as big chinned. His defence consisted of his moustache and his big ass chin. He could really take a beating himself and keep going. If Pierre had had a big punch he might well have had a bunch of threads on here every week himself.
     
  15. fists of fury

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    Yeah, Coetzer in a nutshell. I watched damn near all his fights.
    At the top level he just lacked the power to hurt the best guys. He hit Bowe cleanly and often, but just didn't have the punch to truly trouble Bowe.
    It's interesting he didn't mention the low blow, which actually was the catalyst for the stoppage against Bowe.
    (His eyes were a mess though, doubt it would have lasted much longer anyway.)

    But yeah, an honest battler who gave it his best shot each time out. He's honest to a fault with absolutely no agenda whatsoever. What you see is what you get.