The best I`ve faced: Hagler (the ring magazine)

sk anyone from Texas their opinoon of Leonard. He was officially RETIRED for good & acting as an advisor to Don who trusted him All the time ge was negociating a Hagler fight for himself . Heck Texas nearly made Quincy Taylor Governor when he KO'd Leonard sparring Leonard admitted himself he was Ko'd on his feet. He would spar Quincy again LOL

 

yeah it changed Ray's tactics with Hagler. Good thing. Although that also tells me Ray would have to handpick well after that. He picked Lalonde and Hearns and Duran.. He knew he couldn't beat the best at that point. I never thought he should have won the fighter of the decade, but he had the best wins of the decade so. And I really don't know who should have won it. There were so many greats.

 

He will always be regarded as w worthl;ess two faced POS in my book

 

I don't think he is the best guy. No . But a hell of a boxer. I think Hagler is a nice guy. Hearns? I think so he just doesn't talk too much. Duran seems like a nice guy to his friends. He would be great.

 

Hagler and SRL were as different in personality as Frazier and Ali

I like Hagler and agree with his point on SRL it was smoke and mirrors....IMO Hagler should have just went into seek and destroy mode and SRL would have been stopped and the topic dead instead Hagler tried to outbox SRL and beat him on points so MMH has MMH too blame for the loss.

His opinion on Durans mastery was interesting and speaks volumes to Duran as a fighter, capability and respect he had from other fighters as well

 

A snake how ? Mike Mccallum thinks Hagler is a snake for not fighting him and giving him a payday. How did Ray Leonard stab any of these guys in the back ?

 

Too all the people who complain about Ray Leonard being a fake and a phony.....take a minute and look at Adrian Broner . If Ray Leonard has a fake personality , im glad he decided to use it .

 

Bearing this in mind why on earth would Hagler have opened up orthodox and fought that way for so long early when his opponent had difficult with southpaws previously? Why did the bigger stronger guy not impose his distinct physical advantages and apply more pressure to the smaller less active fighter? so what if he claims Ray expected that? He should have expected it as it would have been an excellent tactic. I don't even mean flying out early per the Hearns fight. Just apply good steady pressure. Was Marvin concerned about his own stamina? He had gassed a bit in other fights.

One scorecard off the reservation isn't completely rare. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if that card had Ray by 1 or 8 points.

Even if all those big cards Hugh is referring to were way out of touch they could never come back far enough to accommodate Hagler under any mindset.

The article proports a Hagler victory and that he administered a quiet beating. I strongly disagree as does the majority.

I've seen others go from Hagler to Leonard.

As for the scoring and fight there is one man who was closer to the action of any of us - he had the best view in the house as to who was doing what to whom. Someone close enough to see what was hitting where and how hard and how often.

Lets have a look at what he had to say. Years later he said Leonard won by more than he originally thought and that he could not believe Hagler was walking around the ring thinking he had won.

Richard Steele -

When ring announcer Chuck Hull gave the scores to the anxious crowd — punctuated by the dead-giveaway line “For the winner and new world middleweight champion” — Steele immediately felt trepidation.

“I was thinking, “Man, they’re going to steal this fight,’ ‘’ from Leonard, Steele said. “I knew Hagler had lost the fight. But when (Hull announced) ‘split decision,’ I said, ‘Oh, my God.’ ’’

Steele had no doubts whatsoever that Leonard won the fight. He thought it would be a robbery if it went to Hagler.

 

Can't believe all the whining by Hagler fans about this fight. Your guy lost. It was almost 32 years ago. Time to get over it.

 

Hagler fans fail to blame him for taking his career for granted at that stage. Even a tuneup in 1986 (at the end of the year) would have helped. And coming out right handed for 2 rounds. Just a dumb tactic. He had himself to blame for a few things. The fight was relatively close, so had he changed a few things he would have won. Even had he won, people would have said he should have won. It was a bad performance by Marvin in many ways.

 

It's a bit ironic, even though Duran and Hagler are seen as boxings blue collar macho men, their fans turn into positive SJWs on their behalf. Every thought of their own responsibility just goes away, everything is Leonard's (which seem to be Duran and Hagler fans's equivalent to what the "white, male capitalist society" is for SJWs) fault.

No matter that it was these guys that held the titles and the cards. No, super meanie Leonard forced Duran into a quick rematch (which would make into him a positive moron for not knowing after some 70 pro fights how much time he would need to get into shape) and forced Hagler into accepting 12 rds and a big ring. Jesus, what weak minded babies do you take these guys for?

 

I don't understand it either especially Duran. The excuses they use for him would not be accepted by anyone else, and the excuses do not match the fights. They take their biggest wins and say how great they are, and when they lose the excuses come out. Duran with excuses about how he was not in shape, which was always to me the weakest excuse since Benitez and Ray beat him with speed. And so did Hearns.. People think I have things against Duran, it is more about the excuses. And Hagler. He fell for Ray and his tactics because Marvin took for granted he could beat anyone.

 

LOL - What a ridiculous thing to post on a classic boxing forum, where boxing matches from over a hundred years ago are discussed, with wide and varying views and which have no doubt, in many cases, been held for more than 32 years...

Or do you seriously expect posters to suddenly change their opinions to your way of thinking, after a certain amount of time has passed?

 

Yes, discussed. Not whined about.

 

No one is whining. If you don't like the way the discussion is going, there are options you can take.