The Best in Eight Classic Divisions and Year

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  1. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    Here are my picks for the greatest of all time in the eight classic divisions and the year they were at their peaks. Do you believe any one else should hold these positions?

    Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali - 1966

    Light Heavyweight - Billy Conn - 1939

    Middleweight - Carlos Monzon - 1972

    Welterweight - Ray Robinson - 1947

    Lightweight - Benny Leonard - 1917

    Featherweight - Sandy Saddler - 1950

    Bantamweight - Eder Jofre - 1962

    Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde - 1916
     
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  2. Sweet Pea

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    I don't honestly see the case for Conn above the likes of Charles, Moore, Spinks, Tunney, etc. At all.

    Otherwise good picks, though I'd take Pep above Saddler.
     
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  3. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    Conn beat Louis in 1941 over 12 rounds and before getting careless in the 13th. He did beat lots of top heavies in 1939 and 1940. As lightheavy king he dominated the likes of world champs like Lesnevich and Bettina. This was a hard pick, because I do believe Charles and Tunney were even matches with Conn. Also Tommy Loughran in 1927 was right up there. However, I believe Conn would have clearly beaten Spinks and Moore.
     
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  4. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

    Light Heavyweight - Archie Moore

    Middleweight - Carlos Monzon

    Welterweight - Ray Robinson

    Lightweight - Benny Leonard

    Featherweight - Willie Pep

    Bantamweight - Wilfredo Gomez

    Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
     
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  5. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    Why Pep over Saddler? Saddler won 3 out of 4.
     
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  6. jyuza

    jyuza Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, but Pep has a better overall record.

    You don't rank Tarver over Jones Jr, do you ?
     
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  7. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    Fair point.

    Also, Pep was probably less of a fighter after the plane crash. It would have been interesting to see how the Pep that beat Chalky Wright would have fared against Saddler.
     
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  8. DINAMITA

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    I take Hagler over Monzon, Roberto Duran (and Pernell Whitaker) over Benny Leonard, Pep over Saddler.
     
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  9. Sweet Pea

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    As Light Heavyweight kind he dominated the likes of Lesnevitch and Bettina, whereas Charles dominated the likes of Moore, Bivins, Marshall, Ray, Fitzpatrick, Maxim, Billy Smith, etc, most of those fighters he held multiple wins over, including Moore. As well as beating guys like the afore-mentioned Lesnevitch and even Joe Louis, whom Conn failed twice to beat. I just don't see how Conn compares to Charles in any way, shape, or form. Or Moore for that matter, or Tunney, and really even Spinks. I think Foster was a better LHW as well.

    On an unrelated note, is anyone else having trouble posting?
     
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  10. janitor

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    One observation.

    If the war had not interupted his career Conn would have been up with Charles and Moore in terms of resume.

    I promise.
     
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  11. Bill Butcher

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    My guess is something like their 2nd fight.


    Anyway, let me give this list a bash.....


    Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

    Lt-Heavyweight - (This is a division were Ive not seen enough of all the great names so I wont comment)

    Middleweight - Ray Robinson

    Welterweight - Ray Robinson

    Lightweight - Roberto Duran

    Featherweight - Willie Pep

    Bantamweight - Ruben Olivares
     
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  12. youngmonzon

    youngmonzon Active Member Full Member

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    Robinson at middleweight lost to Basilio, Fullmer, Pender, Turpin. How could he ever beat the 1972 Monzon?
     
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  13. enquirer

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    Heavy: Ali.
    lt heavy: Charles.
    middle: monzon.
    welter: leonard.
    lightweight: duran.
    feather: Saddler.
    bantam: Jofre.
    fly: wilde.
     
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  14. janitor

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    Heavyweight-Joe Louis Barrows

    Light heavyweight-Sam Langford

    Middleweight-Harry Greb

    Welterweight-Barbados Joe Walcott

    Lightweight-Joe Gans

    Featherweight-Henry Armstrong

    Bantemweight-George Dixon

    Flyweight-Jimmy Wilde
     
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  15. Bokaj

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    Walcott ahead of Robinson? How you figure?
     
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