The best Lennox Lewis vs The best Evander Holyfield: Who wins?

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  1. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    A rapidly declining past-his-prime Holyfield arguably beat Lewis in their second fight - a prime Holyfield would outwork Lewis and maybe even get to that suspect chin late and TKO him.
     
  2. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    Lewis, and I don't think it's even that close.
     
  3. markclow

    markclow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To be honest Lewis has never even been extended that much by Holyfield.

    VK gave Lewis far more of a fight than Holyfield ever could.

    Could you imagine Holyfield beating the VK that Lewis fought?

    No - me neither.
     
  4. Max Molyneux

    Max Molyneux Liverpool Liver Tickler Full Member

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    Lewis would beat anyone stopped by Riddick Bowe.
     
  5. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield's power is not enough to KO lewis even if it lands right on the button.
     
  6. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As much of a cop out it is, I voted not sure. I'd certainly favour Lewis, although you can never count out Holyfield... Especially a prime Holyfield!
     
  7. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holyfield took too many unnecessary shots on occasion and that be the flaw that would leave him in second place in this argument..

    Lennox on his best day would have a too varied arsenal for the technically brilliant Holyfield...........

    Lewis would just have too much for Evander..

    No disgrace at all.
     
  8. Boinko

    Boinko Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis at his best beats Holy virtually every time. I wouldn't say "absolutely" every time as Evander was a tough, headstrong fighter who could rise to the occasion.
    But, ultimately he was a smaller heavyweight and a prime Lewis would be just too big and strong for Evander and that jab would pick him apart all night long.
     
  9. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Active Member Full Member

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    Fair enough.

    I wasn't trying to make that crap argument that if so and so gave Lewis trouble, what would Holy do? I misunderstood your first point and tried to point out that his skills individually were not better than Holy's. Nevermind this.

    So go ahead and explain to my how Lennox would improve "at his best". I see TREMENDOUS amount of improvement for Holy - not so much for Lennox. Credit must be given to Lewis for being almost always consistent and on top and this is why it's tough to narrow down his prime. However, many agree that 2001 rematch with Rahman had the best Lewis ever and that a 1999 version would be very close to it. Some deny the 1993 as best version since he was a bit green. Explain to me how he'd improve to overcome Holy's enhanced work rate, speed, stamina, etc.

    It means that he was still pretty good - but it doesn't mean that he was at his best as the ATG that the was! I didn't say he was shot - he was CLEARLY past his best and seeing his MANY WARS, seeing that a speedy fighter who relied on speed & reflexes was now 37, easily comparing the 1993 version side by side - one can see that Holy was overthehill.
     
  10. Martini643

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  12. Thread Stealer

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    I meant to vote for Lewis, but I accidentally voted for Evander. Lewis is winning by a landslide anyway.

    Holyfield's best was probably at cruiser, but anyway, the best HW Holyfield I still would make an underdog against the best Lewis.
     
  13. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Active Member Full Member

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    Man, I wish this match up could actually happen in the future. I would make so much money! This is one of those classical cases where the popular opinion is based on whim (i.e. Tyson vs Holy) and gets proven wrong.

    For those who say Holy is a cruiser - doesn't his ability to survive an explosive Mike Tyson a powerful, heavy, strong George Foreman or ability to beat Riddick Bowe (same dimensions of Lennox) prove that he is just more than a "blown up cruiser"? Someone who was that successful shouldn't be questioned as legit HW.
     
  14. Shotgun

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    Lewis for sure. See the only reason the second fight was close was because Lewis got screwed and thought he had to brawl more to impress the judges which played into Holyfield's hands and made the fight closer than it should have been. He still won though

    A prime Lewis fighting smart, utilizing his jab and movement combined with the well timed uppercut and right hand, outboxes any version of Holyfield for a decision.

    When people use the second Holy fight as evidence, it doesn't mean a whole lot. You have to understand the mindframe Lewis was in and the circumstances surrounding the fight. In everyone's eyes except the Three Blind Mice with scorecards, he dominated Holyfield and made him look like an amateur. A combination of arrogance (from how easily he beat Holyfield the first time) and frustration (from getting robbed by the judges) is the only reason the fight was closer than the first because Lewis thought he had to (and thought he easily could) beat Holyfield at Holy's own game, which he did. It just made the fight closer than it needed to be. But it wasn't as close as Holy supporters make it out to be. I've yet to find one single Holyfield supporter claiming he won actually say which of the 7 rounds he took to win the fight, and believe me I've asked many times:D
     
  15. Dostoevsky

    Dostoevsky Hardcore......to the max! Full Member

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    Holyfield always had trouble with bigger men like Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis was twice as talented as Bowe and also a bit bigger.
    Lewis would keep Holyfield at the end of his jab and smash Holyfield with right hands, whenever Holyfield got close to Lewis, Lewis would just clinch Evander and frustrate him also at the same time, wearing him down.

    Lewis hit harder than Bowe, and Bowe knocked Evander silly in two of their fights.
    I fully expect a prime Lewis to stop Holyfield in the later rounds due to TKO.