The Best of the Rest: 160lbs Tier II Tournie - THE FINAL:Lloyd Marshall SD15 Mike McCallum

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Sep 14, 2021.

Who will win?

Poll closed Sep 17, 2021.
  1. Lloyd T/KO

    6.3%
  2. Lloyd Points

    50.0%
  3. McCallum Points

    31.3%
  4. McCallum T/KO

    12.5%
  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    94,794
    16,066
    Mar 21, 2007
  2. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders Pounchin powar calculateur Full Member

    6,987
    3,231
    Sep 13, 2012
    Gonna pick McCallum by KO. Marshall's power is of little consequence here, and I like McCallum's more textbook approach to offset Marshall's aggressive power game. Per usual, McCallum counters Lloyd's attacks with well placed shots to the body, slowly chipping away at Marshall's stamina and power. By the 8th or 9th, Lloyd is ready to go and crumbles under a barrage to the body. He can't beat the count.
     
    AwardedSteak863 and McGrain like this.
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    23,269
    34,887
    Mar 3, 2019
    Marshall was a better fighter IMO. He looks great on the film vs Charles and Mills, and I tend to think he'd be able to better McCallum in the experience department. He had one tough schedule. He'd have to stay deft and alert, but I think he's got a win in him. He's beaten better.
     
    Reinhardt, Fergy, JohnThomas1 and 2 others like this.
  4. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,018
    5,132
    Aug 16, 2018
    I couldn't have said it better myself. McCallum fought into his forties over multiple weight classes against some of the deadliest punchers ever and was never stopped. On the other hand Marshall who was an excellent fighter was stopped at least ten times and would be going against one of the better counterpunchers ever. I think he gets stopped here. As much as I respect Marshall for all that he accomplished, he was just too inconsistent for me to pick him over the consistently great McCallum.
     
    Fergy, McGrain and Colonel Sanders like this.
  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

    13,904
    10,958
    Jun 9, 2007
  6. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    5,252
    7,893
    Oct 20, 2017
    No way are people letting McCallum win after his win over Kalambay in the semis!
     
  7. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    5,252
    7,893
    Oct 20, 2017
    The final always looked like it would be one of the post-Hagler middleweights from the late 80s and early 90s against one of the Murderer's Row.
     
    George Crowcroft likes this.
  8. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders Pounchin powar calculateur Full Member

    6,987
    3,231
    Sep 13, 2012
    The forum fave theory is about to get tested. (Some) People said Conteh won because he was the forum fave.
     
  9. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    5,252
    7,893
    Oct 20, 2017
    McCallum was a fantastic fighter who was technically excellent, had a great chin and a good boxing IQ, but he was a relatively slight middleweight who lacked a real punch at the weight and he could outslicked as Kalambay showed.

    I wonder if Marshall's size, his unorthodoxy and his power would prove to be McCallum's kryptonite. I can see McCallum hanging tough but never solving Marshall and being on the wrong end of a clear decision.
     
    Tin_Ribs likes this.
  10. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,018
    5,132
    Aug 16, 2018
    Maybe, but that one loss at Middleweight to a prime Kalambay was a damn close fight. McCallum was pretty consistent all of his career and regularly fought the toughest of opponents in their own back yard. No one was ever really close to stopping him but Marshal was stopped 11 times. Both guys deserve respect for fighting the best of their era's but too me McCallum was far more consistent. I don't see Marshall stopping him and he really wasn't much of a mover like Kalambay.
     
  11. Jester

    Jester Active Member Full Member

    855
    397
    Jul 27, 2014
    I think Marshall's unorthodox technique and attack befuddle McCallum and offset his rhythm enough for Marshall to pick up a decision. McCallum was a great fighter, but if Marshall could get past Burley, Williams and Charles, I really don't see what McCallum could present that Lloyd wouldn't be able to cope with.
     
  12. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,550
    553
    May 22, 2007
    Tough fight to call never thought about this match up before. Initially thought Marshall but then thought McCallum via razor thin decision.
     
  13. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    42,859
    8,093
    Jan 3, 2007
    Whoever picked Marshall to win by KO, I’d really like to hear your reasoning.
     
    AwardedSteak863 likes this.
  14. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,018
    5,132
    Aug 16, 2018
    Agreed! McCallum never was really close to being slept in the ring. 36 rounds with Toney, Prime Roy Jones, Julian Jackson, Curry, Collins, Watson etc. He was fantastic defensively and had an iron chin to boot. Too bad he didn't get to fight the legends that Marshall did. I have no doubt that McCallum would do well in any era. He truly was a complete fighter.
     
    mr. magoo likes this.
  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    42,859
    8,093
    Jan 3, 2007
    Absolutely. He was extremely durable and had outstanding defensive skills too. I don’t even think Marshall was much of a puncher
     
    AwardedSteak863 likes this.