The Best of the Rest: 175lbs Tier II Tournie - Round 1 - 13: Mickey Walker UD15 Glen Johnson

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Jul 14, 2021.


Who will win?

Poll closed Jul 17, 2021.
  1. Walker T/ko

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  2. Walker Points

    50.0%
  3. Johnson Points

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  4. Johnson T/KO

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What i've done is i've lifted top tiers out of my top fifty at the poundage, fiddled it a little bit to minimise guys with no footage and used the remaining 32 names plus some subs to develop a seeded tournament to uncover "the best of the rest" at the poundage, with you, the denizens of the world's greatest boxing history forum, casting the deciding vote.

    Pick your man! Write however many details you like or don't in a post below. But maybe try to post, to keep things moving a little bit. You have three days.

    And let's be nice. No reason for disagreeing over total fantasies after all!

    15 rounds, 1950s rules and ref. Ten points must. Weigh in is 18 hours before the fight.

    I'll only vote if it's tied, then I'll decide the result.


    Round of Thirty-Two Fight 13: Glen Johnson vs Mickey Walker

    MICKEY WALKER (94-19-4; Newspaper Decisions 37-6-2)

    The absurd Toy Bulldog, Mickey Walker, would have fought a truck piloted by a meth-fuelled werewolf if the money was right. He was crazy. Although he never held the title himself, he defeated not one, not two, but three legitimate light-heavyweight champions of the world. Mike McTigue went first in 1925, the reigning title-holder but willing to meet Walker only in a twelve-round no-decision bout, Walker in need of a knockout in order to lift the title. The Bulldog pounded out a twelve round newspaper decision but couldn’t put his man away; infuriatingly, Walker knocked McTigue, an underrated but carefully nursed champion, quite literally out to dry, hanging him over the second rope in a single round in 1927 – by which time he had been parted from the title.

    After his overdue knockout of McTigue, Walker, absolutely no light-heavyweight at 5’7 and a great deal of history at welterweight and middleweight, bowled right into the wonderful Paul Berlenbach, who had lost his title to Jack Delaney just a year earlier. Barely over the middleweight limit, Walker gave away eleven pounds to Delaney who was a body-puncher and boxer of real repute – Walker won “every round” and gave his man “an unmerciful beating” according to The Montreal Gazette, even forcing the bigger man to the canvas with his indomitable left.

    Last up was Maxie Rosenbloom. Rosenbloom, inevitably, won the championship match between the two but Walker dropped and bettered the champion in a non-title bout a few months later. It was the second time he had defeated a reigning light-heavyweight champion and he had done so an astonishing seven years apart. Between, he had dropped a split-decision lost to the great Tommy Loughran and twice bested Leo Lomski. It wasn’t quite meant to be for Walker at light-heavyweight – but few fighters have bested more lineal champions than he.

    GLEN JOHNSON (54-20-2)
    Fifty-four, twenty, and two.

    And this isn’t some monstrous battler lurching out of the stacked 1920s division with the scalps of a dozen world-class opponents hanging from his bloodied belt, some hideous fistic bogeyman that enjoyed a murderous prime before suffering some terrible drop off in form and talent as his body betrayed him to drunkenness and women. No, this is a modern day road-warrior who racked up numerous losses at middleweight, super-middleweight, and at light-heavyweight.

    But the career of Glengoffe Johnson, out of Jamaica and in to almost every major boxing nation on earth, is more complex than any set of raw statistics could ever capture. He stepped up to light-heavyweight in the summer of 2001, stopping Thomas Ulrich in six before meeting Las Vegas regular Derrick Harmon in the Hard Rock. The judges saw it a clear ten round decision in favour of Harmon; the crowd voiced displeasure after what I saw as a narrow win for Johnson. Next up was an ugly loss to former Roy Jones victim Julio Cesar Gonzalez in a razor thin decision that one judge managed to score 98-92. I had it a draw. Johnson managed an actual draw in his very next fight, with the prospect Daniel Judah; the problem was, Johnson dominated Judah almost bell to bell, clearly losing only one round, the eighth. I scored it, ironically, 98-92. In November of 2011, Johnson travelled to the UK and met ranked tough Clinton Woods and fought a draw in a fight I scored him winner. He lost a rematch in 2006 in a fight that again, looked like a narrow but certain Johnson win. Johnson was twice beaten by Chad Dawson as the decade trundled to an end, but again, I thought he was hard done by in their first fight, a clear win for Johnson and a signal for the crowd, once again, to boo a Glen Johnson loss.

    This makes appraising him extremely difficult. Between his arriving in the division in 2001 and the end of 2009, I have him losing just twice, to divisional bosses Antonio Tarver and Chad Dawson – according to paid judges he lost six. The job here is to strike a balance between my sense that Johnson’s career is the most tragic in modern boxing, the inevitable realisation of perhaps the most badly run professional sport in world, a perfect storm of bad luck and bad officiating – and what the men paid to be ringside saw. Fortunately, Johnson props himself up with excellent wins that the officials did manage to see, or, as was the case in his famous detonation of huge favourite Roy Jones Jnr., fights he denied them the right to judge.

    Johnson launched himself at Roy Jones and threw punches at parts of his anatomy that Jones wasn’t aware he had. At the end of a particularly aggressive fifth, Orlando Cuellar told a bemused Johnson in his corner that “this is what it will take to win this fight!” Johnson looked like a man who had been told riches beyond his wildest dreams were at his finger-tips if only he could swallow a bull. But Johnson stayed the course. He took the snapping punishment Jones crackled into him and maintained a more tempered version of this attack for the rounds that followed, bulldozing Jones into unconsciousness in the ninth. Jones had already been defeated by Antonio Tarver, setting up a showdown between him and Johnson, a showdown Johnson won making him the premier light-heavyweight in the world.

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  2. McGrain

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  3. McGrain

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    Clear fight of the round IMO.

    Let the madness begin.
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Definitely would be a great one.

    Wonder what excuse Glen would come up with...
     
  5. McGrain

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    Really? Hardly a post for this one? I don't know that I could imagine a more fun fight that this, it would be insane. Even if you think Johnson is far too big for Walker, or Walker is far too good for Johnson, it would be six rounds of total carnage.
     
  6. McGrain

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    In a surprisingly sparsely attended card, Glen Johnson and Mickey Walker put on eight rounds for the ages as the back-and-forth action seemed all but certain to guarantee a stuck on fight-of-the-year. In the ninth though, Walker's murderous bodyattack from the closest range apparently broke a Johnson rib and from here it was all Walker as Johnson held, gave ground and repeatedly took a knee. A showing of real bravery got him home but no judge saw him winning more than four of the fifteen rounds.
     
  7. salsanchezfan

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    McGrain, is your result in the title correct? Should be the other way around?
     
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  8. McGrain

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    An uncontroversial result, although the crowd reacted badly to the very handsome ring announcer originally reading out the right cards but the wrong winner. Even Johnson seemed surprised. The very charismatic ring announcer immediately corrected himself, however, after some other guy whispered in his ear.
     
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  9. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How could Johnson hold it against him?
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    :lol:
     
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Bit late but I already voted.

    I don't really see a case for Glen here. Not only was Mickey much more skilled (in that gritty, badass mutha****er kind of way), he's already beaten somebody who was like Glen Johnson on steroids. Johnny Risko was everything that made Johnson Johnson, just a lot better. He beat him, more than once too iirc. And what's more, is the easiest way to clearly beat Johnson seemed to be to make him revert back to his old boxer-puncher style. If you put him on the back burner, he seemed much more uncomfortable. Mickey Walker would be the man to do that.

    It'd be an insane war, but Walker would be in control the whole way IMO.
     
  12. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Two tough guys. In this case the smaller man is tougher and better skilled. Gotta go with Walker.