The Best of the Rest: 175lbs Tier II Tournie - Round 2 - 1: Max Rosenbloom UD15 Michael Moorer

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Jul 19, 2021.

Who will win?

Poll closed Jul 22, 2021.
  1. Rosenbloom T/KO

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  2. Rosenbloom Points

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  3. Moorer Points

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  4. Moorer T/KO

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What i've done is i've lifted top tiers out of my top fifty at the poundage, fiddled it a little bit to minimise guys with no footage and used the remaining 32 names plus some subs to develop a seeded tournament to uncover "the best of the rest" at the poundage, with you, the denizens of the world's greatest boxing history forum, casting the deciding vote.

    Pick your man! Write however many details you like or don't in a post below. But maybe try to post, to keep things moving a little bit. You have three days.

    And let's be nice. No reason for disagreeing over total fantasies after all!


    15 Rounds, 1950s rules and ref. 10 points must. I'll only vote where there's a tie.

    Round of Thirty-Two Fight 2 - Max "Slapsie Maxie" Rosenbloom vs Michael "Double M" Moorer

    MAXIE ROSENBLOOM (207-39-26)
    Everyone beat Max Rosenbloom - in part, this is because of this attitude to big business. With the world-title on the line, he was a different beast and one that more often than not emerged triumphant from a skittish, rough, difficult fight. So Joe Knight was able to beat him, comprehensively according to some, in 1932 but come 1934 with the title on the line and Rosenbloom was able to scrape home to a draw and retain his championship. That same year, 1934, Rosenbloom dropped a decision to Mickey Walker over ten in a non-title fight, but the previous year in a confrontation for the championship of the world, Walker had managed to win perhaps as many as three out of fifteen rounds. Bob Godwin managed two draws over ten narrow rounds in his run up to his title-shot at Rosenbloom, but come that night he found himself in the ring with a different fighter, an aggressive, direct one who dropped Godwin twice in the first round and re-opened cuts the challenger had suffered in training to stop him in four.

    Hardly a pushover in non-title affairs, he did manage to beat fighters as good as Lou Scozza and Leo Lomski without any gold on the line but it is a fact that he was better with a glittering motivation ringside. His s title record is 7-1-2, the losses coming against Bob Olin, who dethroned him, and Jimmy Slattery, who repulsed him in his first shot at a title. Probably light-heavyweight's greatest flawed genius.

    MICHAELE MOORER (52-4-1)
    Michael Moorer rustled up just 22-0 at light-heayweight and he squeezed the usual quota of sharpening stones into his formative years. Heavyweight was where he made his reputation and his money, 175lbs was doubtless an aperitif.

    Ramzi Hassan was his first visitation upon a ranked fighter and it was a brutal one. Moorer clubbed him out in five to claim a strap. Victor Claudio followed forty days later in two. Frank Swindell was coming off a first round stoppage of the once great Matthew Saad Muhammad when he took on Moorer forty days after that. Before the fight, Moorer spoke about being extended the full twelve by “tough guy” Swindell; the tough guy managed six rounds. He didn’t win any of them. By the time of his final light-heavyweight contest in December of 1990 he was boxing with the type of destructive surety that spoke of a possible reign of greatness.

    It was not to be.
     
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  4. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders Classic discussion : small vs big, old vs modern Full Member

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    Moorer was only outboxed once when he was past it. I can't see a guy who can't hurt him or make him respect his power do all that well. Moorer walks Rosenbloom down and bullies him, winning a lop-sided decision.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Maxie was far more wily than Stewart, and he was overall a far more proven commodity and better fighter than Moorer. He also had an absolute granite jaw which was tested by the likes of Fox, Braddock, Adamick and Stribling. He's also had experience vs southpaws, too.

    Don't really see a case for Moorer unless you're dictating that size is the difference, but I find that weird given Leslie Stewart was out-boxing Moorer up until he was stopped.
     
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  6. White Bomber

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    Moorer wins, any which way he wants
     
  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    In close to 300 fights Maxie was stopped only a few times. His resume is ridicules. Moorer may hit like a hammer but I got Maxie on points
     
  8. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have double MM catching up to him eventually.
     
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  9. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    this is maxies fight !
     
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  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What exactly turned you into this conclusion?
     
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  11. White Bomber

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    Cause Moorer is bigger and with a better reach. Cause he seems like a more skilled boxer and cause he ain't got 40+ losses like Rosenbloom.
    I've never seen any footage of Rosembloom, but from all accounts, he used to employ an open glove style of boxing and was even penalized for slapping opponents. I really doubt that will ever work on Moorer.
     
  12. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. How can you assume that Moorer is more skilled if you never saw Maxie footage?

    2. How many losses to do you think Moorer would have with 300 fights on his record?

    3. Do you know that Moorer has more KO losses than Maxie, despite having 6 times less fights in his career?
     
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  13. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maxie decision. Moorer was a beast but Maxie isn't going toe to toe is he. The decision may get a lot of boo s, always some that prefer the killer punch fighter.
     
  14. White Bomber

    White Bomber Active Member Full Member

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    Cause of the accounts of how he fought and cause he's ancient compared to Moorer.
    Plus, from what I know, there isn't any footage of Rosenbloom, is there ?!

    Less than Rosenbloom, that's for sure.

    That's cause he fought in a far superior era, against more skilled opposition.
    Moorer only has 4 losses, 2 against ATGs, and 2 after the age of 35.
    He lost to Holyfield, whom he also beat.
    He lost to Foreman, who he dominated all night until Foreman fluked the win.
    He lost fo Tua, who was a big puncher, while Moorer was past his best.
    He lost to Castillo, who was way younger and when Moorer was past his best.

    Put Moorer in Rosenbloom's era and he pretty much beats everyone that Rosenbloom faced.
     
  15. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "He's ancient" isn't argument, it proves nothing but your bias.
    How can you know that? Moorer was done after less than 50 fights, make him fight 300 fights instead and we can't predict the number of losses.
    I don't think it is.
    Even assuming that Moorer was good enough to beat every opponent Maxie faced (which is quite an assumption), predicting that Moorer would have gone 300-0 in any era is beyond stupid.
     
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