The best street fighter 1pick

Aside from the weapons all of the things in the first paragraph ,happened in early MMA events. Royce Gracie was bitten by a kickboxer in the final match of UFC 1, he choked him out.

Pride, the earliest great MMA promotion accepted knees to a downed opponent. Many big name MMA fighters like Rampage Jackson, Chuck Liddell, Fedor Emilianenko and Royce Gracie have all fought with these rules in place and trained for the situations through out their camps.

Nut shots were legal until UFC 4 IIRC.

Hair grabbing was leagal untill UFC 15.

The most frequent question a fighter asked in the run up to UFC 1 was "is this legal?". Short of putting it in an actual location like a grassy hill or bottle filled parking lot, it is as close as you could posibly get to a street fight and grapplers came out on top the vast majority of the time. It is a more accurate depiction of a street fights because no ref is there to let you get back and stand around for 8 seconds before I continue hitting you or breaking something.

So it stands to reason the person who trained consistently while least constricted by rules would win the vast majority of street fights, against people who with far stricter rules have utterly forgotten and neglected massive portions of the game. Unless you believe the world best street fighter is not fighting in the ring, because I'll poke so many holes in his resume:deal.

 

They could. But we are boxers also. If there is any sort of build up to the fight above and beyond "Oh **** why am I being hit in the face" there are clues. Footwork is often the dead give away, the frequent taking of angles and stepping side to side. Feints. A jab for measuring distance. Clear signs to take it to the ground. It is easier to assume that your opponent, in all likely hood, has never trained to defend submissions and is useless on the floor because any full grown male can throw a knockout punch with a bear knuckle if it hits perfect.

 

Wow .. never heard this but I will ask him today and circle back .. cool.

 

THat's where I'm coming from .. I am sure Dempsey did not hve the exclusive on a horrible upbringing in a rough world but that is the world he grew up in when it comes to fights in bars, brothels, riding the rails and digging in mines as a teenager .. Guys like Johnson, Langford, Ketchell and so many others I'm sure grew up little different .. hard men.

 

:good Good read.

 

Tyson can't qualify after the way his fist and Mitch Green's face broke each other on the street. Dempsey, on the other hand, came ashore at Okinawa with men he trained ready for life and death combat.

Foreman or Liston versus Dempsey in bare knuckle fisticuffs on the street? George and Sonny wouldn't be fast enough to avoid getting clobbered first. They swing and get ducked by somebody who shadowboxed in a four foot high cage, then he comes up to slug them back. Jack's gloved hands actually left bruises on Tunney's thighs, a fist sparing target for a street fight where anything goes.

Some guys became boxers as a result of discovering they had a punch in street fights. Marciano was aspiring to baseball before he shocked himself by laying another boy out in a fight, and Mike Weaver flattened a drill sergeant in USMC boot camp at Pendleton. Punching out a human being with a bare fist to the hard male head is hardly a usual way to suddenly discover boxing ability.

Hercules is a pretty cool guy who defended himself against getting picked on as a supposed easy target. Rocky, on the other hand, had a temper, and fractured a guy's jaw in retirement with a left hand whack when that fellow failed to repay a financial debt in a timely manner. (Again, bear in mind that Tyson, WHILE CHAMPION, severely fractured his right punching Green on the street when Crazy Mitch confronted him. Blood's left face swelled up like a balloon, but he was completely healed long before Mike's hand was out of that cast and he was able to return to action.)

 

Vitali deserves more of a mention. Military background, world level boxer AND kickboxer, plus he's huge and tough as nails.

 

Please tell me it's true. Im a huge Larry fan and this story was too great.

 

I'll go with Corrie Sanders. He had the mustache, the body of a bouncer, the ability to land first and lay out anyone, and seemingly world class ability in anything athletic he tried.


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Basically it d be who bench presses most, has the bigger biceps and has more tribal tattoos.

 

I'd imagine Joe Frazier would have been lively in a straightener

 

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Wasn't there an exactly same thread topic when I was here the last time (only a few weeks ago)?

Anyways, my answer remains the same, and I think it really should be uncontroversial: Assuming we are picking only among boxers, I would pick those world class boxers who were also high-level martial arts competitors before they became world class boxers. These hybrid fighters have a lot more tools to work with than pure boxers (I also think un-mixed those martial arts that combine kicking and punching are - everything else being equal - superior to boxing alone, but that's another topic I shan't discuss here). There is a legion of these converted martial arts fighters that hail from Asia, and quite a few became world titlists as well. The best example is Samart Payakaroon, who is generally considered the greatest modern Muay Thai fighter and was a boxing world champion as well. Likewise, plenty of Muay Thai champions have made successful transition to boxing: In fact, most Thai world champions in boxing were Muay Thai Champions. A similar transition is also frequently found in Japan and Korea; for instance, Jiro Watanabe was a top karate competitor; and many Korean boxers - Chan-hee Park, for instance - have extensive TKD backgrounds.

 

Addendum: If you watch a lot of Asian boxing, you will frequently note that Thai boxers generally throw hooks proficiently; many Japanese and Korean fighters do not and can only throw straight punches with authority. This, I speculate, has to do with their differing martial arts backgrounds. Muay Thai fighters are taught to hook, and the mechanics of the ubiquitous Muay Thai elbow strikes is easy to transfer to a hook anyways; karate and TKD, on the other hand, deliver all their punches in a straight fashion and rarely use elbow strikes.

 

Exactly. This also comes from a guy who holds 2 black belts - one in striking and one in grappling - and trained a lot of other stuff, including boxing (albeit very briefly in formal terms).