The best street fighter 1pick

Once again, we are on the same page.

I will add the following cautionary note though: A pure boxer with no training in anything else would have trouble defending himself against an all-around striking martial artists who could use feet, knees, elbows, in addition to fists. But once he spent about 6 months or so learning how to defend kicks and other unfamiliar strikes, it would be an entirely different story. But pure, unadulterated boxing alone is inferior to those arts that use other striking surfaces in addition to fists.

At the moment, I'd rather not get into grappling, because then you will hear me literally write chapters on how MMA - and the Gracies - have done the martial arts a great disservice by exaggerating the efficacy of grappling over striking, often with outright lies.

 

Even without grappling, I'd favor martial arts strikers over boxers. More tools. Also, kicks have some massive advantages over punches - albeit along with severe drawbacks: Reach and raw power. But that was not a debate I wanted to open here, as it would derail the topic. For the purpose of this thread, I need only to press the case of those boxers who were world champions who were ALSO world class martial artists.

 

F--- it man PM me if you ever want to to rant or debate martial arts. I love all kinds and we have already thoroughly derailed this boxing thread. I disagree with your thoughts on the gracies and MMA, but I would like to hear your thoughts on the subject. I fully agree that boxers with a background in martial arts would take most pure boxers in a street fight. I would take Tex Cobb as my pick champion in Martial arts, champion kick boxer and very good boxer who was damn near impossible to KO. He'll get to any boxer sooner or later.:bbb

 

i'm not disagreeing with escudo, but every street fight i've ever seen was resolved by who was proper aggressive first, skill was a distant second.

agree with that. muay thai clinch work in general gives thai boxers a distinctive inside style

 

I give Tyson a pass because hands can break anytime in a street fight. One small miscalculation and you pinky knuckles can shatter like glass because skulls and elbows are far harder, thicker and better supported bones. It takes a serious amount of conditioning to build the knuckles into reliable weapons while unpaded. Especially when you throw them with the sort of reckless power Mike had.:good

 

Whenever I punch a guy my hand breaks. Not the knuckles but along the top of my hand usually between the first and second knuckle or second and third knuckles. It swells up like a balloon and for the next three months I'm stuffed. Is there any sort of excercise / conditioning to be done that could prevent this from happening? Not that I'm planning on going out to hit people, but the aftermath is way worse than the fight, frankly.

 

The supporting bones of the pinkie and ring finger are smaller and more fragile than the middle and pointer fingers. Those knuckles and the bones behind them will break more easily. There are a few schools of thought on the subject. Trying to land with the pointer and middle knuckles should lessen the chance of a break. Picking your spots is also important, because a forehead or elbow WILL break a bare hand.

Hooks for all their power and speed are hell on hands too and anything you would use a hook for an elbow would work just as well provided you aren't throwing your hook with bad technique (wide, looping or from too great a distance). Elbows come with their own set of problems because if you land wrong it hurts like hell. Ever hit your funny bone? Do it as hard as you possibly can and you get the idea. But even still it's better than a break.

Do not aim for anything above the upper lip as people can duck down with their forehead and try to stick to the center line if at all possible.

As far as conditioning goes. Hit a heavy bag with out gloves or wraps once in a while at about 60%. If nothing else it can expose holes in your punching technique that gloves and wraps tend to minimize. Wrists getting kinked means you need to focus on gripping as you punch which also helps add power. Your knuckles should swell. This is you body quite literally building bones. Ever hit your shin on something and then after the swelling goes down there is that little lump of bone? Same thing happens with knuckles.

Also there is this wonderful article by combat ****ist extrodinaire Jack Slack. He does in depth technical studies on pretty much any form of combat you've ever heard of (and a few you haven't) but specializes in MMA.
http://fightland.vice.com/blog/fighting-motives-broken-weapons-and-the-search-for-alternatives

Drink your damn milk.:hi:

 

P4P Nigel Benn

 

Thanks a lot, that does help some.

Broke my hand on a cheek, a chin and a tolling box that malfunctioned. It's gotten boring now :tired

 

Iknow what it's like to get bored of it. I was a young stupid reckless kid at 230lbs 6'4" who loved punk rock and hated skinheads. Had more than a few hand breaks back then. I started training in Jiu-Jitsu and lost 50lbs. Now I can't even thrown my hand hard enough to break it and my middle and pinkie knuckle are about the size of the tip of a ball-peen hammer. I use a lot more volume with less power now. Fluidity is the name of the game.:bbb

 

Nearly everytime I punch someone I do the tendons in on my little fingers. My fingers now resemble a hook and won't straighten at all. Tbh for a big lad I have small hands, I know I hit too hard for the bone structure of my hands.

I seriously wish in fights I've had over the years I could have put on some MMA gloves haha.

 

I remember the skinhead / punk thing from when I was younger. But that's quite a while ago. Hope you're taking your arthritis vitamins Thanks for the advice, it is good.

 

Well I'm only 27 and though it fell off there are still punk scenes all over the world. No arthritis yet.

 

Good post

 

As far as hand hardening the bare knuckle boxers did it rountinelly...as well as karate guys and there is a barekuckle history page that goes into it well