The best street fighter 1pick

Sorry for the necro:

But I wasn't following the MMA scene as much when I posted on this thread, and since then I found something that shook me to my system:

Francois Botha defeated (albeit one through injury) two all-time quality kickboxers in MMA. So it is possible that a boxer can beat a kickboxer without extensive adjustment training to defend kicks, knees, and elbows. This is a rare example, though, and one swallow does not make a summer.

Still, I have underestimated the capacity of boxing, on its own, as a self-defense tool relative to the more comprehensive martial arts.

 

Not only that, his low center of gravity and stocky lower body could help prevent him from being taken down. If you're in a street fight, and you can't get Tyson down, you have zero chance outside of picking up a weapon.

 

Well in a street fight I am not picking a boxer no matter how good of a boxer he was.

Edit: If I have to I might go Samart Payakaroon just for his diversity...

 

Jack Dempsey (obvious choice)
Harry Greb (hell he beat Walker in the street).
Roberto Duran

If I'm going smaller guys, then Jung Koo Chang.
Jiro Watanabe. He'll bring his Yakuza friends to back me up.
Fighting Harada.

 

Yes, Chang was a thug; a lot of his unconventional repertoire on the ring was from the "streets."

Watanabe was an elite karate competitor; and my view is anyone who was a elite in martial arts - plus an elite boxer - is going to be beat anyone who only knows boxing.

 

I don't think Jiro would play 'fair' either. Elite skills + Gangster = win.

And Harada was just a hard man from a hard time.

 

From what I've read
Dempsey
Wiggins
Graziano
Liston
Holmes
Frankie Depaula
Jeff Fenech
Hurricane Carter..in no particular order
Who I would add
Barkley
Benn
Fullmer
Meng
Bas Rutten
Igor vovchanchyn
Robbie Lawler
Pat Miletitch

 

I'd pick George Chuvalo hands down above anyone else in the street,,, Also to contend with these silly debates as far as MMA vs Boxing come on... A street fight is different from both in every way possible.. No rules,, period anything goes things happen, its all random and who gets off first. My guess is seeing where most boxers come from compared to where most mma fighters come from I'd say the boxers are gonna strike first and hard and keep em coming! end of fight period!

 

You can't lump "MMA fighters" in one grab bag. For instance, grapplers and strikers in MMA are different animals - though there has been a merging of the two increasingly of the late. Kickboxers will out-strike boxers, everything being equal. Kicks have far more range and power; and a pure boxer has a very difficult time penetrating a kickboxer's defenses.

 

I know how MMA fans are so not gonna get into this debate,, You have your view i have mine!

 

Let's do a thought experiment on this ridiculous MMA v. boxing question:

Take someone like Payakaroon. He is considered the greatest Thai kickboxer ever and yet was good enough to knock out Pinter and win a world boxing title.

Do you really think any boxer at his weight could beat him in a street fight? Let's even take someone like Sandy Saddler, who was as tough as they come at the same weight and one of the top two or three ever in boxing at his weight. Still, I find the suggestion wholly laughable. Payakaroon was good enough with fists alone to be a world champion. But when you add kicks and knees and elbows - where he was the best ever?

Likewise, no boxer who ever lived at bantamweight or below is beating Watanabe on boxing skills alone. You could throw Olivares, Zarate, Jofre, whomever, and Watanabe would murder them in seconds.

I just cannot understand how people can imagine boxers can out-strike world champion boxers who were arguably even better as martial artists.

 

I am NOT an "MMA fan." I am more of a boxing fan as a fan - if anything. But I know both disciplines fairly well, and I know who'd come ahead when all things are equal.

Please read the examples I pointed out above. As I tirelessly tell people on this issue: There have been world class martial artists who became world boxing champions - and in many cases almost instantly, after making a near-seamless transition.

 

Again the debate is on the street not in the ring that another debate completely! On the street there is no rules period,,

 

On the street, you would want someone who was used to "the scramble" and had experience with impromptu fights breaking out. This probably means going outside the usual names. Time spent as a bouncer would be very advantageous.

I'd pick Danny Hodge. Ranked boxer, NCAA wrestling champion and trained shooter as my top skilled guy.

I would have hated to see anyone try 70's heavyweight Tom "Roughhouse" Fischer in a street fight. Low center of gravity. High pain threshold. Plenty of years being challenged in bars and outside bars as his years moonlighting as a bouncer. (Him in the Avatar)

 

Graciano Rocchigiani... Total pimp and thug. Ready to throw at the drop of a hat and wouldn't give up till dead.

I will add any of the old cloth that were experienced in Battle Royales... Sam Langford, Jack Johnson, Sam McVea... They wi f*ck you up.