The best technique between Louis, Lewis, Wlad and Vitaly?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Bokaj, May 10, 2017.


Who had the best technique?

  1. Louis

    27 vote(s)
    81.8%

  2. Lewis

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%

  3. Vitaly

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. Wlad

    4 vote(s)
    12.1%
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  1. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Louis but this doesn't prove there is a bias against 30s fighters.

    There was a time, lots of people were calling Louis slow and clumsy...or good for his time. It's not until an emergence of better quality footage, that he is getting his rightful dues for his blistering hand speed and combination punching in contrast to contemporary modern heavyweights.

    His defense and foot work is still quite underrated. And his comeback form is also criminally underrated due to the Anti-Marciano agenda.
     
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  2. Mendoza

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    Offense - Louis
    Defense - Wlad
     
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  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    With the same quality footage Baer or Carnera (as in their fights against Louis) still don't look good. I used to believe those that didn't want to see the holes in Baer's and Carnera's technique was blinded by bias, but you just frankly doesn't seem to understand what constitutes boxing technique.
     
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  4. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Louis and Wlad have great technique but I would go with Louis because he looked like he still kept his cool (technique wise) when things got heated.
     
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  5. dinovelvet

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    They didn't write "how to box" books in the image of Joe Louis for no reason.
     
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  6. janitor

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    Louis and I don’t even know why it would be debated.

    Obviously he needed to have better technique than the others because he was 6' 1'', and mistakes were mote likely to be punished.
     
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  7. The Kentucky Cobra

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    That's funny, what is my opinion on Baer and Carnera's technique? I don't recall ever analyzing the two in great detail. I haven't even personally considered an overall assessment.

    Regarding what constitutes boxing technique, I at least have an opinion I can describe and apply consistently. You regard technique as an abstract you can't describe, which is frankly bizarre. You just believe....
     
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  8. reznick

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    They would look much better.
     
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  9. Contro

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    What part of their game would look better?
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Distance control, speed, power, timing, awareness, courage, rhythm, boxing IQ and many more.
     
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  11. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get power and maybe even speed, courage and rythm but how would their boxing IQ, awareness, control of distance etc look better? Most of us can see if a boxer has these attributes even if we watch a fight with 240p, even if its less exciting so you're gonna have to explain that to me
     
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  12. Bokaj

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    I have described to you several times, but it just doesn't go through.

    Outstretched arms as a defense is port technique. It leaves much more holes than a proper guard and you can't punch back effectively after blocking since the arms are already extended.

    Parrying instead of blocking is poor technique. If you parry your hands can be feinted out of position which leaves you open. Watch the Canelo-Khan KO.

    Chin up high, weight on the back foot and arms flailing from trying to keep your balance as much as parrying is poor technique (as Foreman in the GIF you provided). It keeps you open and vulnerable and you can't counter effectively.

    Not moving yout head is poor technique

    Arm punches is poor technique.

    Chin low with weight more on the forefoot and back slightly bent is important in infighting and constitutes good technique. Makes you a smaller target and allows you to better absorb punches. A straight back with chin up high is never good. It exposes you and makes it more difficult to slip punches. The head movement then typically consists of leaning back, which is risky and in most cases impossible to counter off of.

    A disciplined guard where you don't have to react to block punches but do so automatically since the hands already are in place is good technique.

    Riding and rolling with punches is good technique.

    Ducking and slipping punches is good technique.

    Proper balance even when attacking and defending is good technique.
     
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  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    75% of votes for the 30's fighter. What bias against old timers, huh...
     
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  14. HerolGee

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    shame such a mighty knowleageable keyboard warrior like yourself wasnt around to tell the HW champions of the world with 20 years boxing experience all these "corrections". somehow they failed to spot such things despite actually being in the ring for decades.
     
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  15. Bokaj

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    You are free to go into the ring fighting with low hands and chin high. But would you be so kind to provide footage so we can see how you're doing?
     
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