The best technique between Louis, Lewis, Wlad and Vitaly?

I find any attempt to balance Louis and Wlad, in terms of Boxing technique, one of surreal humor.
The contrast between them is so great that no credible comparison could ever be made.

 

Louis

 

Louis, of course.

 

If you were to count the times Louis, or Wlad was hit by punches, its Louis by a mile. Louis did not have a good defense, and part of that Dino was technique.

Wlad hardly clinched at all in most matches. If he had a forward mover type, sometimes, but so did Ali.

The fact that you thin Wlad has medicare defense underscores your lack of knowledge. He had a high guard, good footwork/speed, the ability to duck or slip punches, and yes if needed no one clinched better.

Joshua has accomplished more in 19 fight than any other fighter since Mike Tyson...maybe even further back. He was the Olympic Gold champion and an active professional in his prime when he meets Wlad. Hardly a novice.

The only two men to out box Wlad over the course of a fight were Fury and Joshua, when he was old. Otherwise he dominated the scorecards.

 

If we are limiting this to a breakdown of the two gifs I posted.

Here they are:

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In both instances, Norton and Foreman's signature guard fails them as they are caught with an unexpected looped/near hooked right hand lead to the temple, as opposed to their chin. Foreman's arms are of course not literally outstretched, his elbows are bent and his gloves are open to catch, and Norton is in his crab.

A looped right hand is a difficult punch to defend in any stance, it's unorthodox. The real boxing sin is Norton and Foreman were simply caught out of position and unawares.

Parrying has been an acceptable form of boxing technique forever, many renowned technicians, even present day fighters like Bernard Hopkins speak highly of it. If you consider it to be poor technique that is your opinion, and not a popular one, so to insult people for not assuming or holding your unique opinion is a bit unreasonable.

Well, head bowed, stumbling forward to keep your balance with your arms below your hips is poor technique as well, but you don't hold that against Kenny Norton in that sequence.

Parrying is preferred to blocking because it creates more countering opportunities.

It can be. Sure, depends on the situation. Depends on your timing and where you are moving your head too.

You critique parrying because it's reaction based, well so is head movement.

Neither Lyle or Holmes arm punch in the gift. If we are speaking in a general way, Holmes and Norton frequently arm punch in the highlights you posted but still champion it as superior technique. Why the selective critique?

I sense this is a contrast of the two gifs. Again, while both men had their hands in a guard initially, they were caught out of position and badly rocked, which happens. Norton botched his crab and Foreman botched his step away.

Norton is in no position to counter either, he can't slip the combo or get away. What we have here is two men caught out of position and eating an identical three punch combo. Neither what Foreman or Norton did worked.

Yeah but there is no single guard that will automatically block all manner of punches that will be coming your way in a prize fight. Both Foreman and Norton defended themselves in a manner that required reaction and movement.

It can be. Sure, depends on the situation. Depends on your timing and where you are moving your head too.

You critique parrying because it's reaction based, well so are these things.

And if we are speaking in general terms, Foreman did duck and slip punches. Doesn't happen in these two sequences though.

Regarding the two gifs, Norton ends up stumbling into an uppercut and left hook. And Foreman is caught in mid step and is sent stumbling from a hook to the neck.

I would actually propose that Foreman in the 70s, had a good defense. Perhaps on the level with Norton or maybe even more effective.

 

Very little of what you have raised here^ has anything to do with Boxing technique.

Use of one's superior size (as in Wlad's case) cannot be equated to a superior boxing technique.

Wlad has clinched in almost every bout in which his opponent has forced a fight.

His opponents' accomplishments do not translate as Wlad having good Boxing technique.

But, on that point, AJ is green and had not fought any noteworthy opposition until Wlad. His inexperience almost cost him the win, through the mis-marshaling of his energy. I don't want to take anything away from either man but it is what it is and Wlad got beat by a relative novice.

 

Nobody is forcing you to explain yourself. It just comes off like a ***** move when you insult someone and then don't want to address any criticisms directed back at you.

Why I see what I see? Maybe I just have a better quality computer screen. And I'm not looking to prove anything, I just let the footage speak for itself.

Dick Saddler, explaining Foreman's parry based defense. 14:23

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If that's your definition that's fine, but at least apply it consistently. You made some outrageous claims regarding Holmes vs Norton that you refused to address.

Hopkins parrying. Which he used and spoke highly of an interviews and tutorials.

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That's all fair view points but you can't explain or specify why Holmes vs Norton highlights are more technical than Foreman vs Lyle.

You said Holmes getting his mouth piece blasted out of his mouth is more technical than anything in Lyle vs Foreman...that's bull****.

 

What do you mean by blocking is not reaction based?
Parrying is often used by technical fighters. But technical is pretty broad here. Tyson doesn't use it often, but Byrd does. Both guys can be considered technical.

 

His argument is a good "technical" defense is an automatic thing, but that just isn't true. Unless you are keeping your gloves glued to your head, which will just get you beat up.

And I still fail to see how his definitions can be applied to Holmes vs Norton.

 

Blocking is reaction based.
There are passive elements to it for some fighters styles like the peekaboo style.
But depending on where the punches are coming from you have to make adjustments.
A lot of it depends on style.

 

The most skilled guy I sparred with was a really talented amatuer from Russia. Came to the US for boxing.
He held his hands low, but was extremely hard to hit. Amazing range control. Not only that, but he could counter everything, including a fast lead jab.

Then I watched him spar some other guys from the gym, and I couldn't believe how "open" he looked from outside the ring. But everyone had problems hitting him.

He would also telegraph certain punches like his uppercut, but on purpose. He would hold his hand really low to show you the uppercut, but he waits for you to react, and then he throws it.

So incredibly awkward and crafty. He had a great parry too. He barely used a guard, and he was in there with guys trying to take his head off, me being by far the most inexperienced of the bunch.