The best technique between Louis, Lewis, Wlad and Vitaly?

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Who had the best technique?

  1. Louis

    27 vote(s)
    81.8%

  2. Lewis

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%

  3. Vitaly

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. Wlad

    4 vote(s)
    12.1%
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  1. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    "he doesn't parry once" All it takes is one second to contradict this claim.

    No, it IS A PARRY.

    Fails to defend? The punch clearly does not land.

    It's Wlad and what your hypothetical boxers do is irrelevant to what actually happend. Wlad threw a punch, Byrd successfully employed a parry.

    "he doesn't parry once" -YOU

    Own up to being wrong.
     
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  2. reznick

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    From what I've seen, it looks to be an even distribution between high guard blocking, parrying and head movement.
     
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    Yeah see, that's the problem.
    People sometimes make sweeping statements such as "____ never threw a triple jab."
    And if we produce a clip of that, then you'll say "Oh but c'mon, that's just a cherrypicked clip!"
     
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  4. Bokaj

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    Then you and I see very different things. Because a pawing jab (occupying the lead) is not a parry to me.
     
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  5. reznick

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    You consider Byrds moves in my clip to be jabs?
    A jab with an open glove facing the opponent?
     
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  6. Bokaj

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    Are you six years old? Yes, he parries at least once, perhaps even twice in a four minute clip. He holds his hands high the vast majority of the rest of the time.

    This is quite childish. It's right there to see that he employs a high guard.
     
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  7. The Kentucky Cobra

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    And Byrd even using his open glove to catch Wlad's punches before they extend is a parry. As Dick Saddler explained in the clip he should have watched, the art of the parry is stopping the punches before they even start. It's not an offensive maneuver as he is claiming, Byrd is doing it to keep Wlad from getting the jab off.
     
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  8. Bokaj

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    You can call them pawing jabs or occupying the lead. Whatever floats your boat.
     
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  9. The Kentucky Cobra

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    They are exactly what Dick Saddler described as a parry, and taught Foreman to use very effectively.
     
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  10. reznick

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    Occupying the lead would probably be Byrd doing the same thing as Wlad, just keeping his arm stuck out there on top of Wlads lead.
    But he smacks the lead away. A few times. Which for all intents and purposes is a parry. At least thats what they called it for hundreds of years.
     
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  11. Bokaj

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    Foreman extended both arms, held them extended and wasn't very effective with it. Ali punched right through that defense. The defense of these guys is much more efficient:

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  12. Bokaj

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    Instead of me and you falling into semantic over a particular maneuver used primarily when you're lead foot against lead foot (lefty against righty) can we agree that the high guard of these guys serves them very well:

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  13. The Kentucky Cobra

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    A high guard and a parry are not mutually exclusive, technical fighters often parry from the high guard. I'm starting to think you are the childish one and are in over your head here.
     
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  14. reznick

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    Hell freakin yeah it serves them well.
    In fact that would be an understatement :)

    But that style wouldn't serve Foreman well, who needs more arm flexibility to punch the way he does.
    You can't hold that over his head, any more than you criticize Loma for not being a Foreman type puncher at his weight.
     
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  15. The Kentucky Cobra

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    He was very effective. Enough to outbox and shutdown Norton before he knocked him out. Your example of the 70s technician was out boxed by Foreman before the deal got sealed. Norton couldn't touch him.

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