The Best Version Of Bruce Seldon Vs Tokyo Tyson

Oh dear, Douglas wasn't all that but he still fearlessly executed a sound strategy and showed up for a fight. Seldon would still go out there, crumble when Tyson farted on him, and ask for his autograph.

 

He looked pretty good against Etienne AFTER the Lewis fight. I think the smaller 220 and below heavies Tyson could have handled and there was plenty of them. I think he should have worked with King and gotten a shot at Ruiz Byrd even Holy again, Rahman, etc. Those guys I think Tyson could have still been competitive with and beaten most of them.
The problem is his ticket sales started to diminish a lot. He was no longer the draw and people were on to him for being a fraud of a fighter so the lower the payday the more out of shape Tyson came into the ring in, and with a reduced team. He went from Freddie Roach to Jeff Fenech to save money.

 

A simple answer:

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I'm not disputing that there were still ranked fighters that he might have beaten. But for all practical purposes his career was over, and it would have been better for his mental and physical health had he just called it quits after Lewis. Of course, there is the issue of him needing the money, but if memory serves he ended up broke in the end anyway. So there really wasn't any sane reason for him to continue.

On a sidenote - It makes me cringe how this guy went from being almost invincible at one point to ending his career by losing to Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride. Its one of the many reminders that we've seen over the years how too many talents over stay their welcome in a sport that only a few belong participating in.

 

I wish he had ended it with the KO of Etienne. I guess the win convinced him to soldier on, but Etienne was beaten more so with sheer intimidation than any great ability Tyson possessed at that point.

 

After the lewis fight, If I was managing Tyson at that time I would have aimed much lower, taken him on tour, he still would have sold out in the far east, europe against anyone mid level. 4 times a year for maybe 2 years. He could have had a D-list, low rent title like the WBF intercontinental championship and paid off his debts.

robert davis, David izon, davaryl williamson, robbert wiggins then fight that richel "the dutch sonny Liston" Hersisia for the WBF title in 04' and defended against the polish tomasz bonin then go for a money fight against roy jones, glen johnson, Tarver or james toney for a retirement fund.

 

I think we could all have done better than finkel. If the name of the game is keep your guy safe and earning then finkel did a bad job. Tyson had already made his bones. It was time to be selective. TYson could make champion money without being a champion, I think all that was required was finding beatable opponents under 230lb who had good records on paper. In all divisions there are managers with fighters owning phoney 20-0 records looking to cash in on a money fight.

 

Great post. :good

 

So now a 2004/2005 Tyson is comparable to '96 Tyson & '91 Bowe?

It's a ridiculously irrelevant comparison.

McCall too, is a bloody shitload better than the hunk of crap who lost to Williams & McBride.

 

Exactly how often to do expect me to watch that ****ing dreadful miserable farce? :blood

How often have you watched Ali-Holmes for example? :huh

They weren't ALL useless arm-punches, but a ****ing lot of them were.

Let me guess, you would say he was landing ****ing nuclear bombs, but the Iron Chin of Bummy McBride absorbed them?!

McBride was stopped by 3 BUMS & Alex Schulz before he fought Tyson, yet he took whatever Tyson tagged him with, without ever being badly rocked. Just the year after, McBride was destroyed in 2 rounds by Mike Mollo! Suffering a standing 8 count in 1st, & two knockdowns in the 2nd. That should tell you how powerful (or not) Tyson was in '05.

 

Seldon had the power and speed to stop anyone, but if he did beat Mike it would have to be early since Seldon's chin could not take a clean punch.. I would say he could not beat Mike unless he stopped him in one or two rounds which is unlikely.

 

Finkel made some big mistakes with Tyson towards the end, but he was invested pretty deep with him. He had to cash him out at some point, and Tyson got far ahead of him in the debt department. He ****ed around and fought once a year and expected Finkel to foot the bill and bail him out of all his problems. I think Finkel has been in the game long enough to know how to bring Tyson along to prepare him for a fight, but Tyson never cooperated. Thats why they setup camp for Tyson in Hawaii for Lewis, because they had to make sure he didnt mess anything up. He started in California, but had the problems with the Wal Mart worker, and Tyson in my opinion, was genuinely trying to sabotage the fight because he knew he was going to get his butt kicked. They even had to let Tommy Brooks go to try and save money. Tyson probably made nothing to fight Lewis because all the money went to payoff his debts to Finkel and Monica Turner. Once Finkel got his money out of Tyson he seemed to not care and matched him poorly, but Tyson was prepared well to fight Lennox Lewis after the Golota fight, but Tyson took more time off and came back looking like a beached whale against Nielson. I have a pretty strong suspicion that fight was a setup anyway and there was no way Nielson was going to come away with the win with the Lewis fight next and thats why it was abruptly stopped when Tyson started to huff and puff down the stretch.